# The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 24, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271 "2009-04-24T22:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 53
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2009, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1041 "2009-05-10T06:30:50Z")
Do you think, just maybe, that Paul is a Jack of All Trades type, and can only do each item listed just once? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2009, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1042 "2009-05-10T06:39:50Z")
**Vote Mahaloth** And just so everyone is clear, here are my reasons:: 1. You are sneaking into bandwagons a tad to much. You just seem to show up, slip in, go home, undetected. 2.Given our Haggle History, and that I am new to Mafia, I am willing to bet that you are playing that up, just so I won’t suspect you. “Nah, I would never vote off Mahaloth, I knew him from Haggle, and plus, he is answering all my Mafia questions… I would never suspect him…” 1. I realized that the deadline to vote was 12 hours sooner than I thought. Mahaloth : If nothing else, chalk this up to a pure “Meeko” play.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2009, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1043 "2009-05-10T12:18:08Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Alright…when Peeker gets back to me, I’ll know whether or not he’s subbing in for Freudian Slit. > > Also, vote count! > > Vote Count! > > Paulwhoisaghost (4): Rysto, Freudian Slit, Mahaloth, TF > Captain Pinkies (1): Chronos > Joey P. (1): Allwalker > Chronos (1): Special Ed > Thing Fish (1): AngeloftheNorth > > Replacement Count: > Replace Captain Pinkies (3):Mahaloth, AllWalker, Chronos I worry about this. Paul could be a useful antisin weapon. If he is telling the truth, but let’s assume that he is. Sure, his powers can also be pro-sin, but I think we should hang onto him… at least for a little while. To get rid of him now would be premature. Ostracize him later - he is probably an attractive target for sinfection - but for now, at least, I feel it would be a mistake. With less than 4 hours left, though, I don’t think my case will get across in time. Nightfall approaches. I, at least, will try to save him - I really think his claimed powers are useful. \*\*Unvote Joey P Vote Captain Pinkies\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Bear\_Nenno](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bear_nenno/32/3358_2.png) [@Bear\_Nenno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bear_Nenno)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2009, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1044 "2009-05-10T12:36:26Z")
Day ends today, right? When does the next day start? Tuesday? ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2009, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1045 "2009-05-10T13:42:26Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > I worry about this. > > Paul could be a useful antisin weapon. If he is telling the truth, but let’s assume that he is. Sure, his powers can also be pro-sin, but I think we should hang onto him… at least for a little while. To get rid of him now would be premature. Ostracize him later - he is probably an attractive target for sinfection - but for now, at least, I feel it would be a mistake. With less than 4 hours left, though, I don’t think my case will get across in time. Nightfall approaches. > > I, at least, will try to save him - I really think his claimed powers are useful. > > \*\*Unvote Joey P > > Vote Captain Pinkies\*\* Okay…now that I’m caught up I have to agree with Allwalkers on this one. I’m friends with Paul and I haven’t seen him online in a couple days. We need to give him a chance to respond at least. (Thing Fish, I agree with you that I want to hear whether he agrees to the plan or not, but I don’t think he’s reading right now.) God help me if he turns out to be Blackheart, I’m surely going to regret this, but: **Unvote Thing Fish** **Vote Captain Pinkies** Sorry, Cap, it’s nothing personal, just strategic. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2009, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1046 "2009-05-10T14:03:06Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > **Vote Mahaloth** > > And just so everyone is clear, here are my reasons:: > > 1. You are sneaking into bandwagons a tad to much. You just seem to show up, slip in, go home, undetected. > > 2.Given our Haggle History, and that I am new to Mafia, I am willing to bet that you are playing that up, just so I won’t suspect you. “Nah, I would never vote off Mahaloth, I knew him from Haggle, and plus, he is answering all my Mafia questions… I would never suspect him…” > > 1. I realized that the deadline to vote was 12 hours sooner than I thought. > > Mahaloth : If nothing else, chalk this up to a pure “Meeko” play.🙂 1. Meeko, you’re the one that voted for Nanook, never provided a reason and ignored question about it. 2 and 3 aren’t good reasons to vote for anyone. You’re ‘confirmed’ mason, otherwise you’d have my vote. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2009, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1047 "2009-05-10T15:16:02Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > 1. Meeko, you’re the one that voted for Nanook, never provided a reason and ignored question about it. > > 2 and 3 aren’t good reasons to vote for anyone. > > You’re ‘confirmed’ mason, otherwise you’d have my vote. I don’t think that Paul will survive. Don’t think my vote for anyone would matter at this point. If 2 is not a good reason, the ALL bandwagon reasons aren’t good reasons to vote. We have less than 45 minutes to vote, and I need to go out for Mother’s Day with my Mom soon. Given how I feel about Mahaloth, Given the Math of Paul’s Vote, Given the timing, I feel that my Vote is the one needed right now. I would almost say the Joey is pinging me here. Almost. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2009, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1048 "2009-05-10T15:24:41Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > 1. Meeko, you’re the one that voted for Nanook, never provided a reason and ignored question about it. > > 2 and 3 aren’t good reasons to vote for anyone. > > You’re ‘confirmed’ mason, otherwise you’d have my vote. [quote=“Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore, post:859, topic:494271”] Regarding my “lurking”. This comes up in every single game I play, and I’m done defending myself regarding it. I put more thought and content into one of my posts than most people put in 10. My style is not changing, period. If you want to lynch me for it, go to town. But at least try and pretend you have a reason for it. Meeko, please do me a favor and just take a deep breath. This is not Haggle. Unless you are a Third Party/PFK, you win as a team with your side. Thinking outside the box is good, but thinking so far outside the box that no one has any clue what you’re on about is not. It actively hurts your side, whichever it may be, and makes it difficult for people to play. Peeker is similar, but his style has adjusted some to the point where he is still Peeker, but you can follow him with a little effort. You aren’t at that point yet. I would love for you to get to that point though, because people who think and act differently are a great boon to Mafia in general. > [@Meeko](#): > > I was going to vote a lurker, Nanook has very good points. > > I am sick and tired of everything changing on a dime here. > > * * * > > Perhaps I’m not clear on what “bandwagon” means. > > I think it implies little to no thought on my part. I do think about things. I see that someone else is going where I want to go. Is it bad to second an Idea in a timely manner? > > I try to give reasons where and when I can, how I can. I don’t think I can present them any other way, and there is no guarantee that you will understand me the second time I try it out either. > [@Meeko](#): > > 1. This remains my first game. I can only use what I have done in the past. Experience will come. > > 2.To say that this game is going a number on how I think, is an understatement. I thank you for the compliment that I think a majority of this quote is. And in another post I can’t find right now, I comment that Nanook handed me my Ass in his post above, asking me to take a deep breath. How am I going to stay on voting for him after that? It was pure lurker voting, after I decided frankly, that I don’t want Paul lynched. **Nanook spoke, and it went from there with Captain, and now, a more REASONED reason for ME to vote Mahaltoh.** \*\* Joey, I don’t really see what else I need to say here. Unless you want me off of Mahaloth. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2009, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1049 "2009-05-10T15:30:00Z")
Vote Count! Paulwhoisaghost (4): Rysto, Freudian Slit, Mahaloth, TF Captain Pinkies (4): Chronos, Allwalker, AngeloftheNorth, Paulwhoisaghost Chronos (1): Special Ed Mahaloth (1): Meeko Replacement Count: Replace Captain Pinkies (3):Mahaloth, AllWalker, Chronos ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2009, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1050 "2009-05-10T16:03:00Z")
The atmosphere was tense in the small village of Boston. Revelations were flying everywhere, Special Ed and Meeko claimed to know each other, and Paul claimed to be able to manipulate sin as a Preacher. Well, that looked a little suspicious. The votes started flying. People noticed a startling lack of words from Captain Pinkies. The accusations shifted to his direction as well. The two were tied up, next to each other, and the town was unsure what to do. “God, give us a sign”, asked AngeloftheNorth. And at that moment, the wind flew, rattling the roof of the nearby houses, and causing a small coin to _plink-plink-plink_, and fall right on the Captain’s forehead. “Thanks!” And so they threw him over the fence. **Hester Prynne** , that lusty, sinful hedonist, hobbled off to the nearest port. Captain Pinkies, a Sinner, is dead. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2009, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1051 "2009-05-10T16:05:01Z")
P.S. I have no idea if coins were in use in 17th century Boston, but that’s how I determined the lynchee. Anyway, it is Night 2. Owing to the complaints, there is now large quantities of smuggled and/or homemade moonshine in the Gathering Hall, all personally blessed by…someone. Day starts Tuesday at Noon. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2009, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1052 "2009-05-10T16:07:50Z")
Well, that changes things immensely for me. I’ve mostly suspected that paul is a Sinner, but I have a hard time believing that a Sinner would put Hester in a tie for the lead at the last moment. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2009, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1053 "2009-05-10T16:08:18Z")
Woo hoo! That worked out nicely. Pedescribe, I hope it also solves your substitute problems. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2009, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1054 "2009-05-10T16:50:25Z")
> [@](#): > > Well, that changes things immensely for me. I’ve mostly suspected that paul is a Sinner, but I have a hard time believing that a Sinner would put Hester in a tie for the lead at the last moment. I’m not sure it changes anything… **paul** claimed that his vote had been bought, remember? So if he’s telling the truth, “his” vote doesn’t say anything about his motivations. > [@](#): > > Pedescribe, I hope it also solves your substitute problems. Unless **peeker** was going to replace **Pinkies** , and **pede** already sent him the Sinner PM (which likely contains information non-Sinners shouldn’t have). I also note with interest that despite being the main character, Hester Pynne’s game-role is described as simply “A sinner” (without any indication of being the “alpha sinner” or whatever). Perhaps the game did start with only one? Good news, if so. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2009, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1055 "2009-05-10T17:03:11Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I’m not sure it changes anything… **paul** claimed that his vote had been bought, remember? So if he’s telling the truth, “his” vote doesn’t say anything about his motivations. Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Ok, I still find him suspicious for my previously stated reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2009, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1056 "2009-05-10T17:47:33Z")
Woo Hoo! All’s well that ends well, I guess.😃 Who’s up for Moonshine?? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2009, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1057 "2009-05-10T17:57:56Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > P.S. I have no idea if coins were in use in 17th century Boston, but that’s how I determined the lynchee. Ok. \*\* Two immediate Things here:\*\* Is Peekers going to replace Freudian still? We are no better off than we were. Paul is still with us, and we have the NK still to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2009, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1058 "2009-05-10T18:19:31Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Ok. > \*\* > Two immediate Things here:\*\* > > Is Peekers going to replace Freudian still? > > We are no better off than we were. Paul is still with us, and we have the NK still to happen. Yes…maybe. He still has to get back to me. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2009, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1059 "2009-05-10T18:38:35Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > **Vote Mahaloth** > > And just so everyone is clear, here are my reasons:: > > 1. You are sneaking into bandwagons a tad to much. You just seem to show up, slip in, go home, undetected. > > 2.Given our Haggle History, and that I am new to Mafia, I am willing to bet that you are playing that up, just so I won’t suspect you. “Nah, I would never vote off Mahaloth, I knew him from Haggle, and plus, he is answering all my Mafia questions… I would never suspect him…” > > 1. I realized that the deadline to vote was 12 hours sooner than I thought. > > Mahaloth : If nothing else, chalk this up to a pure “Meeko” play.🙂 :bleached: Hey, I’d be offended to _NOT_ receive a Meeko vote at some point during the game. 🙂 Well, I have nothing to say about 2 and 3, as they seem fairly useless to comment on. As for 1, I don’t think I’ve been particularly “bandwagony” On Day One, I went alone and pushed for the “lynch the lurker” strategy, which seemed to have kicked in rather late in Day Two. I was the only voter for Captain Pinkies on Day One and even switched away from the bandwagon vote of Spurious George. On Day Two, I voted for paul. I wasn’t the first, but I was 2nd/3rd(no idea which). I’d hardly call it a bandwagon. Anyway, everyone attracts votes eventually, so no problem. I’m a pure townie, by the way, if you want to know my status, though I suppose everyone says that when asked. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2009, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1060 "2009-05-10T18:40:14Z")
> [@](#): > > We are no better off than we were. Paul is still with us, and we have the NK still to happen. Well, we haven’t won the game yet, if that’s what you mean. And I’d have rather seen a Blackheart die than a Sinner. But I have a hard time seeing the lynch of a Sinner as being a bad thing. And **Thing Fish** , of course I don’t have any moonshine! Perish the thought! But here’s some water I just happen to have in a hip flask. Why yes, I do carry water around in a hip flask… Why, what else would one use such a flask for? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=52) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=54)