# The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 24, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271 "2009-04-24T22:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 54
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2009, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1061 "2009-05-10T19:09:15Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Ok. > \*\* > Two immediate Things here:\*\* > > Is Peekers going to replace Freudian still? > > We are no better off than we were. Paul is still with us, and we have the NK still to happen. We are better off. We’ve killed a Sinner. We can’t win as long as there are sinners alive. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1062 "2009-05-11T00:11:36Z")
**Ped, can we have a final vote count for Day Two?** ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1063 "2009-05-11T00:15:18Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > **Ped, can we have a final vote count for Day Two?** Something wrong with [this one?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11125673&postcount=1049) ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1064 "2009-05-11T00:32:26Z")
Oh. Nevermind. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1065 "2009-05-11T01:34:45Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Oh. Nevermind. > > 🙂 Mahaloth, I don’t think you had that much to worry about. Except my next vote. Heh. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1066 "2009-05-11T01:46:53Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Except my next vote. Heh. You mean your next vote at the end of Day Three, or the next one at the beginning of Day Three…and all the other unvotes and votes you cast that day? 😉 😃 ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1067 "2009-05-11T02:24:48Z")
Oh, thank goodness that worked out. I was freaking out, wondering if I had made a mistake. Yay! This round of water is on me! ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1068 "2009-05-11T03:11:45Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > Yay! This round of water is on me! _Water_ you waiting for? I will take a shot! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1069 "2009-05-11T03:25:15Z")
[quote=“pedescribe, post:1051, topic:494271”] Owing to the complaints, there is now large quantities of smuggled and/or homemade moonshine in the Gathering Hall, _ **all personally blessed by…someone.** _ > [@Meeko](#): > > _Water_ you waiting for? I will take a shot! :eek: But I will hold off from drinking it. :dubious: Bold and Italics mine. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1070 "2009-05-11T04:01:36Z")
[quote=“Meeko, post:1069, topic:494271”] > [@pedescribe](#): > > Owing to the complaints, there is now large quantities of smuggled and/or homemade moonshine in the Gathering Hall, _ **all personally blessed by…someone.** _ > > But I will hold off from drinking it. :dubious: > Bold and Italics mine. Beware of drinks offered when pede is a mod\* \*see Super Smash Brothers on [idlemafia.com](http://idlemafia.com) ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1071 "2009-05-11T04:17:34Z")
So now I have no idea where this game is going, but at least we got scum! If the scum are as numerous in this game as I think they probably are, we can’t afford too many mislynches (unless we get lucky and some Sinners get NKed). I would like to continue proposing the plan that a very wise and perceptive player put forth Yesterday, to wit that\*\* Paul \*\*should announce that he is removing the seed of sin from \*\*Angel **Tonight, and that** Angel \*\*should report Tomorrow whether she still has the seed. > [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > … presumably if **Angel reports that she has NOT been dis-sinfected, we will then lynch Paul** , and if \*\*Paul \*\*comes up Town we will likely lynch **Angel.** > > Therefore, I don’t think a scum **Angel would be likely to lie about that, since it would lead to her own death. If Angel** says she is still infected, she is either Town and telling the truth, or (less likely) she is Scum taking the rather risky gambit that **Paul** is a member of the other Scum faction. > > If Angel says she\* has \*been cured, on the other hand, this could mean anything; maybe she is telling the truth, maybe she and \*\*paul \*\*are scum working together, maybe **Angel** is scum who was lying about having been ensinned in the first place and is now covering her tracks (in which case **paul** could be either Town or a member of the other Scum faction). So I wouldn’t conclude anything about either of their alignments in that case. > > But if **Angel** says she has not been cured, it seems like we probably have found scum, so I think it is definitely worth a try. Some people have pointed out correctly that this test will not _definitively_ prove anything. The fact that it won’t magically solve the game for us doesn’t mean it isn’t worth doing. If **Angel** and \*\*Paul \*\*are both Town, nothing is lost (and \*\*Paul \*\*has used his power to the most pro-Town effect possible). If one or both of them are scum, even if we don’t catch them right away, we have forced them to lie, and who knows when that might come back to bite them? The more we can force scum to go on the record making statements that might become provable lies eventually, the better off we are. I said earlier that Paul is playing weird; apparent pro-Sinner comments, flagrant power role tell last Night, failure to vote Day One, getting super defensive and hostile when he was called on the above… I’m not at all sure I buy his power role claim, and if he won’t agree to demonstrate that he can do what he claims (or to come up with some plausible reason why he feels he has something more pro-Town to do with his powers Tonight), I will likely be voting for him again Tomorrow. Otherwise…well, we still have lots of lurkers to choose from. Five of our fifteen living players didn’t bother to vote Yesterday! It is a miracle we managed to find scum with that many abstainers, and I can almost guarantee we won’t get that lucky again. Although\*\* Nanook, JoeyP, Bear Nenno, and Inner Stickler\*\* all deserve piercing glares and watered-down moonshine, I think **BillMC** deserves special mention for being the only player not to vote on either Day, and he will probably be my default choice if nothing else interesting happens Tomorrow. Enough talk. Who’s up for karaoke? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1072 "2009-05-11T04:26:17Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > Yay! This round of water is on me! > [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Enough talk. Who’s up for karaoke? \*\* Wow, Drink AND Song???\*\* The only thing that is next, is for someone to create a game, that would some how make light of the scourge on our poor town. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1073 "2009-05-11T04:28:41Z")
Ok… sorry all that I wasn’t around the last couple of days. Real life took its effect on my games. I wasn’t around to cast my bought vote, but it seems Pede did it for me. Apologies Pede. Gonna catch up tomorrow afternoon. Is there anything that is expected of me before then? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1074 "2009-05-11T05:09:27Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Otherwise…well, we still have lots of lurkers to choose from. Five of our fifteen living players didn’t bother to vote Yesterday! It is a miracle we managed to find scum with that many abstainers, and I can almost guarantee we won’t get that lucky again. Although\*\* Nanook, JoeyP, Bear Nenno, and Inner Stickler\*\* all deserve piercing glares and watered-down moonshine, I think **BillMC** deserves special mention for being the only player not to vote on either Day, and he will probably be my default choice if nothing else interesting happens Tomorrow. I’m really sorry about that. Voting is crucial to this game and I failed at that most basic task. I thought I had more time than I did. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1075 "2009-05-11T05:14:48Z")
> [@](#): > > Wow, Drink AND Song??? > The only thing that is next, is for someone to create a game, that would some how make light of the scourge on our poor town. And that would lead to prostitution, or maybe even (gasp!) dancing. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1076 "2009-05-11T05:36:07Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > And that would lead to prostitution, or maybe even (gasp!) dancing. And after that, Umlauts on words like Cooperation. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1077 "2009-05-11T06:28:46Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > The only thing that is next, is for someone to create a game, that would some how make light of the scourge on our poor town. I know a few wholesome games. Let’s play Piggy in the Middle! _passes a ball into the crowd_ ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1078 "2009-05-11T12:16:01Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > Gonna catch up tomorrow afternoon. Is there anything that is expected of me before then? Well, like **Thing Fish** said, we assume you are using your role to remove the seed of sin from Angel toNight. Otherwise, just hang out and enjoy the blessed moonshine. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1079 "2009-05-11T13:16:40Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Otherwise…well, we still have lots of lurkers to choose from. Five of our fifteen living players didn’t bother to vote Yesterday! It is a miracle we managed to find scum with that many abstainers, and I can almost guarantee we won’t get that lucky again. Although\*\* Nanook, JoeyP, Bear Nenno, and Inner Stickler\*\* all deserve piercing glares and watered-down moonshine, I think **BillMC** deserves special mention for being the only player not to vote on either Day, and he will probably be my default choice if nothing else interesting happens Tomorrow. Yeah…why didn’t you guys vote? **Bill** , why have you not voted on either Day One or Two? \*\* Nanook\*\*, I have to say, considering that at one point I/we were commenting on your lack of play, NOT VOTING does not exactly help your case. Other guys? Why not vote? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1080 "2009-05-11T14:18:16Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Yeah…why didn’t you guys vote? > > **Bill** , why have you not voted on either Day One or Two? > \*\* > Nanook\*\*, I have to say, considering that at one point I/we were commenting on your lack of play, NOT VOTING does not exactly help your case. > > Other guys? Why not vote? > > 😕 I mentioned it up thread, but the two people that really pinged me (Meeko and Paul) both wound up claiming. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=53) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=55)