# The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 24, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271 "2009-04-24T22:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 58
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1141 "2009-05-13T01:56:53Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Angel I am working on two assumptions right now: > > 1. You have been cured, and no longer have Sin, but you have to translate, and translate back everything you say into Chinese. > > 2.The word for yes and the word for no , by itself can **successfully** translate, and translate back. > > Do I have these two assumptions correct? Yes! ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1142 "2009-05-13T01:58:42Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Ed : message for you in masonry Thank you Read, understood and replied to. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1143 "2009-05-13T02:00:18Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > **ped** has pulled that trick before… Yes, I was a traitor mason of his once. I was also a Mason/Investigator of his once who wasn’t allowed to make an honest claim. This time, I was assured in my PM about the Alignment of all of the masons ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1144 "2009-05-13T02:01:23Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Did you not read my role PM as I posted it? > > I was assured that meeko was Town. Pede would NOT do that again. > > Though, you might say that about this being the 3rd game in a row of his that he’s made me a mason. When you have posted it at first, but I did not , I read it; remembered it say that your alignment was all towns. I want to vote with the town which confirmed that because this competition still confused the hell outside me, and I may trust that you’ at least; No longer intentionally tries to force the slander. However, it’ Of you real s by now already were infected perhaps. Do not mind. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1145 "2009-05-13T02:04:18Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > OK, so the real question becomes what we want to do now. > > I guess I’ll just say what I’m currently thinking. > > Was Paul totally honest with his claim? I don’t understand what his actually role was and if he explained things clearly and honestly to us. I know I voted for him because I didn’t wasn’t sure I believed him and his powers seemed both good and bad, but was he honest? > > Also, do we know for sure that specialed and Meeko aren’t scum masons? I don’t know if that is what you mean by “traitor masons”, but it is what I have been wondering. Since, in general, Scum can communicate with each other, Scum mason is mostly redundant. Though, I suppose it might apply in a case where not ALL scum can communicate. Though it makes no sense for 2 Scum to claim that, since once one is dead, the other is fingered very strongly. Especially if they’ve verified the alignment of the other masons as meeko and I have. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1146 "2009-05-13T02:05:35Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > Interesting spot, Chronos. So far we’ Hears whether ve anybody has accepted the sin last night. I believed personally perhaps Captain Pinkie is the only primitive criminal. That will explain absorption criminal’s many opportunities and Pedescribe’ s answered, when I asked that in competition at the beginning, criminal whether to know who is and had their thread (he to reply " Sorts of"). If this is not real, I’ Whose is d infected last night likely bravely steps forward. Can I suggest that you stop using contractions when translating? It might make things simpler for us to understand. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1147 "2009-05-13T02:16:58Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Since, in general, Scum can communicate with each other, Scum mason is mostly redundant. Though, I suppose it might apply in a case where not ALL scum can communicate. Though it makes no sense for 2 Scum to claim that, since once one is dead, the other is fingered very strongly. > > . 😕 Please politely correct me where I am wrong. I think the idea of a scum mason is that he/she would be able to fake claim as town mason and access the mason discussions. They would learn what the masons are discussing and could share it over where the scum discuss things. How is it redundant? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1148 "2009-05-13T02:49:18Z")
OK, have access to my notes again. With the knowledge that **paulwhoisaghost** was, in fact, Town, the bandwagon for him, and for **Spurious** on Day 1, look pretty suspicious. Going just by the vote history, **Meeko** looks most suspicious, but his behaviour is also consistent with trying to play this game as though it’s Haggle (keeping all his thoughts close to his chest), and I’m in no hurry to lynch a claimed Mason. On the other hand, **Mahaloth** also took part in [both](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11090748&postcount=167) [pileons](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11115385&postcount=796), and with a poorly-justified reason the second time (“lynching paul makes sense”). He did [unvote](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11092721&postcount=216) **Spurious** , but only after it was pretty clear that he was going to be the lynchee anyway, which could be a Scum tactic for trying to keep his hands clean. For this reason, I’m suspicious of **Mahaloth**. Meanwhile, as I mentioned earlier, **Nanook** has not only posted very little this game, but what he’s posted has had very little substance (including not even attending to the most basic of Town duties and voting, on Day 2). Until he starts actually participating, rather than just apologizing for not participating, I’m suspicious of **Nanook** , too. I don’t know yet which one I’m more suspicious of, at this point: I think I want to give **Nanook** the chance to say something more (and hopefully contribute, this time). ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1149 "2009-05-13T02:53:24Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > For this reason, I’m suspicious of **Mahaloth**. Some of us moved beyond suspicion on Mahaloth. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1150 "2009-05-13T03:00:37Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > On the other hand, **Mahaloth** also took part in [both](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11090748&postcount=167) [pileons](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11115385&postcount=796), and with a poorly-justified reason the second time (“lynching paul makes sense”). He did [unvote](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11092721&postcount=216) **Spurious** , but only after it was pretty clear that he was going to be the lynchee anyway, which could be a Scum tactic for trying to keep his hands clean. For this reason, I’m suspicious of **Mahaloth**. Well, even before I switched off Spurious to Captain Pinkies, I was floating the idea around about lynching lurkers like him. I wish I had never voted Spurious, obviously. As for Paul, I felt that he was not fully honest about his claim. I’m still not sure what his actual role was…though I do admit that Captain Pinkies was the better lynch(who I vote for on Day One, by the way). Anyway, I took my chances and I have been playing the game to the best of my ability. Suspect me, obviously. I suspect everyone, even the masons we have heard so much about. And remember, toDay my vote is bought, so my vote does not indicate anything about me. Anyone still lurking? I feel like not everyone is apart of the game. Maybe I’m wrong. I’m going to bed, by the way. I’ll post tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1151 "2009-05-13T03:08:00Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > 😕 > > Please politely correct me where I am wrong. > > I think the idea of a scum mason is that he/she would be able to fake claim as town mason and access the mason discussions. They would learn what the masons are discussing and could share it over where the scum discuss things. > > How is it redundant? OK, I thought you mean a group of masons who were all Scum you said > [@](#): > > Also, do we know for sure that specialed and Meeko aren’t scum masons? I don’t know if that is what you mean by “traitor masons”, but it is what I have been wondering. Which implies that Meeko AND I are Scum. If we were Scum, we’d probably have a Scum thread in which to talk already, so no need for a ‘scum mason’ thread I think most of us were talking about a traitor mason, which is 1 scum in a group of masons, a traitor. Meeko and I have eliminated that possibility, and if there were other masons who were aligned with Town, don’t you think they’d claim now to get both meeko and I lynched? ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1152 "2009-05-13T03:25:27Z")
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**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1153 "2009-05-13T03:30:42Z")
It seems we can now assume that there is in fact a vote-buyer around (since **paul** was Town and presumably would not lie about such a thing) and that said vote-buyer is not a Sinner, since he/she cast the vote that ultimately offed **Pinkies.** It also seems unlikely that we have a Doctor, since **paul** would seem to have been the likeliest choice for protection last night. But we can’t be sure, since obviously the Doctor might have decided to protect someone else (or been roleblocked or had targets switched or or or…) Seems like not much has been said Today. I would like to get more discussion going, but I’m kind of at a loss where to go from here. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1154 "2009-05-13T03:32:15Z")
I just had a look over **Inner Stickler** ’s posts - not voting on either Day 1 or Day 2 is bad, bad, bad. But it is so obvious a tell that if it is scum motivated, it is so stupid it is genius. Other points - a lot of posts talking about the rules - who hasn’t? - as well as an aggressive confrontational style. This has been used against confirmed town (ie, paul) and semi-confirmed town (ie, Meeko), which doesn’t look good but isn’t necessarily a tell. I would like to see IS post more, but if what was said about joining 4 Mafia games or something is true than I shouldn’t expect it. > [@special\_ed](#): > > I think most of us were talking about a traitor mason, which is 1 scum in a group of masons, a traitor. Meeko and I have eliminated that possibility, and if there were other masons who were aligned with Town, don’t you think they’d claim now to get both meeko and I lynched? This is why I lean towards believing these two. Their PMs clearly state that all Masons are town. If they are both lying, they are taking an enormous risk - the real Masons would call the bluff, we would either vote for the accused or the accusers, and one side would be proven right very quickly. The only way this could be a valid Scum play from **Meeko** and **ed** is if there are no actual Masons, so nobody to call on them. But they couldn’t possibly know that there are no Masons, so I tend to believe them. There are still plenty of lurkers. **Freudian Slit** asked to be subbed out, but there are still others - just check the “Whose posted?” link in The Game Room, it is obvious who they are. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1155 "2009-05-13T03:40:03Z")
1. Somehow I missed two pages when I posted a few minutes ago…glad to see the thread has not been dead as I thought! 2)It was actually \*\*Guy Incognito \*\*who no-voted on Day One, and was then replaced by der **Stickler.** 1. re what someone said about scum Masons, usually in SDMB games the Masons can’t communicate, they just know who each other are. Of course there have been exceptions, as there appears to be this game. 4) **Angel** , hiliarious your humble speaking is! ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1156 "2009-05-13T04:02:17Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > The only way this could be a valid Scum play from **Meeko** and **ed** is if there are no actual Masons, so nobody to call on them. But they couldn’t possibly know that there are no Masons, so I tend to believe them. While we all know that no one is confirmed until dead…I wouldn’t be toooo worried about the masons being fake and scum. The only way that would really work is if there are no masons to counter claim. I would think that if scum would try a stunt like that, they would have one person claim first to see if anyone counterclaims, but we had two masons claim at the same time, that would be a huge risk since if real masons counterclaimed, scum would lose two people at once. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1157 "2009-05-13T04:21:23Z")
Some thoughts on Sin: Fact 1: Hester Prynne is dead, and her role was described as simply “Sinner”, with no indication of being any special sort of Sinner. Fact 2: Exactly one person claimed to have been Sinfected on Night 1. Fact 3: **paulwhoisaghost** claimed to have Sinfected someone random on Night 1. Fact 4: **paulwhoisaghost** died a Pure Puritan. Assumption 5: The Sinner faction can choose and Sinfect one person each Night. Assumption 6: Town who have accepted the Sin win condition cannot use the Sinner power to Sinfect. From 1, I conclude 7: that the Sinner faction started with a single member, **Captain Pinkies** , who is now dead. From 6 and 7, I conclude 8: that it is no longer possible for Sinners to Sinfect, and the only other means we know of for Sinfection ( **paul** ’s power) is no longer possible. From 8, I conclude 9: That it is no longer possible, or at best extremely unlikely, for the Sinner win condition to be met. From 4, I conclude 10: That **paul** was telling the truth, and that therefore he did in fact Sinfect someone on Night 1. From 2, 5, and 10, I conclude 11: Someone else, other than **Angel** was Sinfected on night 1, but chose to embrace Sin. From 9 and 11, I conclude 12: That person is now well and truly screwed, and might as well just concede and save the rest of us some time. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1158 "2009-05-13T05:20:47Z")
I was sinfected last Night, Chronos, so you may want to revise your conclusions. Or not it’s up to you. I chose to pray, if you’re wondering. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1159 "2009-05-13T05:42:05Z")
That’s still consistent with ostracized folks being able to get one last parting shot in, though. The real test would come toMorrow night. But thanks for telling everyone, anyway, of course. It’s potentially valuable information. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1160 "2009-05-13T06:41:32Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > While we all know that no one is confirmed until dead…I wouldn’t be toooo worried about the masons being fake and scum. The only way that would really work is if there are no masons to counter claim. I would think that if scum would try a stunt like that, they would have one person claim first to see if anyone counterclaims, but we had two masons claim at the same time, that would be a huge risk since if real masons counterclaimed, scum would lose two people at once. Exactly. It would be possible, but incredibly [del]stupid[/del] unlikely. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=57) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=59)