# The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 24, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271 "2009-04-24T22:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 60
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1181 "2009-05-13T19:20:30Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > And both **Freudian** and, now,\*\* BillMC\*\* have asked for subs. It is really a shame how much this game has been affected by lurkers and dropouts. I am wondering if Ped might want to consider something drastic, like a mass killoff of the lurkers. I would definitely want to think more about whether this idea might benefit one side at the expense of the others before I would formally propose it, though. Peekercpa should have subbed in for Freudian…I don’t know what happened. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1182 "2009-05-13T19:30:28Z")
I just sent you an e-mail **pede**. Looks like I’ve got some catching up to do. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1183 "2009-05-13T19:38:23Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > I just sent you an e-mail **pede**. > > Looks like I’ve got some catching up to do. Peeker, that was in coherent! Keep up the good work. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1184 "2009-05-13T19:39:24Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Peeker, that was in coherent! Keep up the good work. Must resist urge to edit. Let’s try that again. Peeker, that was coherent! Keep up the good work. (I started to write something else and didn’t delete it all). ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1185 "2009-05-13T19:52:47Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > I just sent you an e-mail **pede**. > > Looks like I’ve got some catching up to do. Received and responded to. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1186 "2009-05-13T20:04:22Z")
I wonder what would have happened if **peeker** had gotten the Chinese post restriction… Quoth **JoeyP** : > [@](#): > > I mentioned that up thread. I’m willing to bet that the sinners recruit someone as a team, so as long as there is at least one sinner, they can continue to recruit. I could be wrong, but it since they are a recruiting faction, that’s my guess. It’s my understanding, though, that recruits don’t become “Sinners”; they become “Impure Town with the Sinner win condition”. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1187 "2009-05-13T20:06:01Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Looking just at votes and post analysis, the people I’m currently most suspicious of are **Freudian Slit** and **Mahaloth** , both of whom voted for **paul** (as, of course, did I --sorry, **paul**!) and both of whom contributed, as I’ve discussed previously, to the **Spurious George** bandwagon, though neither actually ended the Day with votes on him. **Rysto** also voted for **paul** on both Days. I’m surprised comments about my initial vote on Spurious still come up. I had said that I supported lynch the lurker as a method on Day One. At the time I lead the way with this suggestion, I had made a list of those who were lurking the most and Spurious ended up on that list. When he claimed that I, “put him on the list”, I took that as him trying to blame me for his inclusion. This seemed like he was really grabbing at straws and seemed scummy to me. I voted for him. Then, he got way more involved and I went back to my original lurker vote concept…and voted for Captain Pinkies. There really should be no confusion about my vote or actions on Day One. Day Two? Yep, I voted Paul for reasons I have explained. Nothing more to say about it that has not been said. It was a difficult call and I was by no means alone. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1188 "2009-05-13T21:04:12Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > I just sent you an e-mail **pede**. > > Looks like I’ve got some catching up to do. Once again, your reputation goes before you. I don’t know how this will end, but I am willing to bet, the moment we start analyzing each other, it \*\*will \*\*be entertaining. Excuse me while I go update my stock portfolio. I need to buy stock in Asprin. \*\* Not for you or I, Peeker, but for our fellow townies.\*\*:eek: ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1189 "2009-05-13T21:10:02Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > I just sent you an e-mail **pede**. > > Looks like I’ve got some catching up to do. Wow how scummy is this guy? He is already emailing Pede, and he hasn’t posted anything of value in game. He is pinging like no tommorow. And what is this, “catching up” is he trying to take the time curb his scummy nature, under the illusion of being behind?. :D:D Ok, Ok, not fair, I know. Seriously Peeker, I have heard nothing but good things about you. Ask Mahaloth. I seriously can’t wait till we get a synergy of some sort going in here. Hopefully you have read the posts that basically call me Peeker Jr. Needless to say, I am nearly\* foaming at the mouth here, waiting to confuse townies on an exponential level. _Nearly, because I can’t think of any real way to say what I truly want to say, with out coming across weird._\* \*\* Ok weirder than I am normally. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1190 "2009-05-13T21:56:13Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I’m surprised comments about my initial vote on Spurious still come up. > > I had said that I supported lynch the lurker as a method on Day One. At the time I lead the way with this suggestion, I had made a list of those who were lurking the most and Spurious ended up on that list. When he claimed that I, “put him on the list”, I took that as him trying to blame me for his inclusion. This seemed like he was really grabbing at straws and seemed scummy to me. I voted for him. > > Then, he got way more involved and I went back to my original lurker vote concept…and voted for Captain Pinkies. > > There really should be no confusion about my vote or actions on Day One. > > Day Two? > > Yep, I voted Paul for reasons I have explained. Nothing more to say about it that has not been said. It was a difficult call and I was by no means alone. Yes, you have already offered explanations for your actions, and they are by no means unreasonable explanations; if I thought they were, I would be explaining why and probably voting for you. The problem is that your actions \*also \*could be reasonably explained by the hypothesis that you are scum (presumably Blackheart rather than Sinner, since you did vote for **Pinkies** …although not when it really counted) trying to protect your comrades and arrange the lynching of Townies. I am by no means convinced that you are scum, I don’t have any case to present other than what I already have. I certainly hope that I am able to spot some great scumtell today that will let me feel confident about my vote. But if nothing happens today to sell me on anyone else, I will likely end up letting actions speak for themselves and voting for the people who I think have done the most objective damage to Town so far, which at this point looks like **you** , **peekerslit** or **Rysto**. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1191 "2009-05-13T22:01:49Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > **special ed** , if I were a sinner, why would I be promoting a hypothesis that says that the Sinners cannot win? Sinner recruitment is voluntary, which means that it’s to the Sinners’ advantage for people to think that they’re winning. If the Sinners appear to be winning, then Sinfected players are likely to convert, but if Sinners appear to be losing, then Sinfected players are not likely to convert. This is true, and I think my post made mention of that > [@Chronos](#): > > Oh, and **AngeloftheNorth** , could you try rephrasing that? It sounds like you’re saying that maybe you’re **Captain Pinkies** , but that doesn’t make any sense. Are you saying that maybe you’re the person Sinfected by **Pinkies**? Maybe, but then there’s (presumably) someone else who was Sinfected by **paulwhoisaghost** , and I don’t see that it matters who was Sinfected by whom: Either way, we have someone who was Sinfected but didn’t declare. There wasn’t necessarily someone sinfected byu paul. His random sinfection could have hit the same person who was targeted and died, someone who was already a sinner, a blackheart who doesn’t want to claim it, or someone an actual sinner ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1192 "2009-05-13T22:04:10Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Ok, I’ve never read the book, never heard of any of the characters, so I didn’t pick up on that. But I’m still curious about recruitment. It seems odd that if the original sinners die, that there would be no more ways left to recruit. Not odd at all. Though, from paul’s claim, it’s obvious active recruitment by the Sinners is \*not \*the only way to increase the number of sinfected people. Also, as long as there is 1 sinfected person alive, the Sinners still have a chance to win, as they can survive to endgame. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1193 "2009-05-13T22:06:30Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I’ve never read the book either, but she was the main character, and one of only two characters specifically called out in the first post of the thread. > > And we started the game with at least three methods of Sinfection, but one (execution) has since been removed by an Act of Mod, and one ( **paul** ’s power) is out of play by virtue of being dead. We can’t rule out the possibility that someone else has a Sinfecting power, but I don’t think it altogether unlikely that we’ve managed to completely defang the Sinners. except that **Inner Stickler** has claimed to have been sinfected last Night, after the **Captain** ’s death ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1194 "2009-05-13T22:08:54Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > And now, on with the scum-hunting. At this point, other than the half-dozen or so lurkers, nobody is especially pinging me. I still think **Angel** was acting suspiciously on Day One, but since nobody else seems to think so, I may have to consider the unlikely possibility that I was overreacting rather than everyone else underreacting. Besides, she did help hang **Pinkies** , so I am less suspicious of her, though of course that doesn’t mean she’s not a Blackheart. I still find her behavior on Day 1 suspicious ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1195 "2009-05-13T22:10:31Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I wonder what would have happened if **peeker** had gotten the Chinese post restriction… > > Quoth **JoeyP** :It’s my understanding, though, that recruits don’t become “Sinners”; they become “Impure Town with the Sinner win condition”. hat’s my understanding too. I still don’t susbcribe to the only 1 sinner to start the game theory though. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1196 "2009-05-13T22:13:20Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Wow how scummy is this guy? He is already emailing Pede, and he hasn’t posted anything of value in game. He is pinging like no tommorow. > > And what is this, “catching up” is he trying to take the time curb his scummy nature, under the illusion of being behind?. > > :D:D Ok, Ok, not fair, I know. huh? Seriously Peeker, I have heard nothing but good things about you. Ask Mahaloth. > [@Meeko](#): > > I seriously can’t wait till we get a synergy of some sort going in here. Hopefully you have read the posts that basically call me Peeker Jr. Needless to say, _I am nearly foaming at the mouth here, waiting to confuse townies on an exponential level._\* And why do you think I had to save your ass by claiming? Because you say such blatantly anti-Town things as that. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1197 "2009-05-13T22:16:05Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > huh? > Seriously Peeker, I have heard nothing but good things about you. Ask Mahaloth. > > And why do you think I had to save your ass by claiming? Because you say such blatantly anti-Town things as that. IIRC, you had to claim, because you slipped, not me. You then went on to claim me, with out my permission. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1198 "2009-05-13T23:04:43Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > except that **Inner Stickler** has claimed to have been sinfected last Night, after the **Captain** ’s death Yes, but, when has two form slanders to be possible to use, Pedescribe said that if the people send into exile they possibly to choose neglect it and still carried on they to travel by night move. :(:(:smack::(☹ To contribution restriction. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1199 "2009-05-13T23:15:49Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > IIRC, you had to claim, because you slipped, not me. > > You then went on to claim me, with out my permission. My initial claim was only that I knew you were Town, since Town was spending so much time talking about you and you seemed to be doing your best to confuse everyone. I wanted everyone to just trust you as Town and ignore all the odd things you were saying. So, you’re right, I wasn’t saving your ass as much as trying to take you out of the center of attention and start the Town looking for anti-Town elements instead of playing some game of confuse each other. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1200 "2009-05-13T23:16:56Z")
**Votes Rysto** as a result of the voting record. Has thrown opposite ballot one day one and votes the Paulo day first person two. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=59) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=61)