# The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 24, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271 "2009-04-24T22:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 61
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1201 "2009-05-13T23:19:21Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > Yes, but, when has two form slanders to be possible to use, Pedescribe said that if the people send into exile they possibly to choose neglect it and still carried on they to travel by night move. > > :(:(:smack::(☹ To contribution restriction. I think I understand. You’re saying that Captain may have used his power to infect someone during the Night because he was Ostracized… Am I correct? and, a second yes/no question Do you think it’s likely that we had only one Sinner? Because I’m certainly thinking that the game is very unbalanced for the sinners if there was only 1 who could infect. That person would HAVE to survive a long time to have a decent shot at winning, since they would only win when everyone alive is sinfected. If they died early, a small percentage would be sinfected. (still a possible win, but not very likely) I think it’s more likely that there are a few Sinners, and they can continue to sinfect. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1202 "2009-05-13T23:28:14Z")
I agree with Ed, and I further think that all this speculation about Sinners is unlikely to be productive. The nice thing about it is that if there are more sinfections, we will almost certainly hear about it and be able to make judgments from there. If nobody else reports a sinfection in the next few days, it probably means that we have dealt with them and have only one scum team left to defeat. Oh, and **[COLOR=“Blue”]vote Angel[/COLOR]** for not clearly explaining her reasons for voting for Rysto. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1203 "2009-05-13T23:30:27Z")
Nah, I just thought it was fun to imagine her head exploding when she read that. I crack myself up. 😛 **Unvote Angel** for now, but manly hugs to **special ed** for reassuring me that I am not alone in thinking her behavior was funny earlier in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1204 "2009-05-13T23:43:30Z")
Quoth **special ed** : > [@](#): > > There wasn’t necessarily someone sinfected byu paul. His random sinfection could have hit the same person who was targeted and died, someone who was already a sinner, a blackheart who doesn’t want to claim it, or someone an actual sinner Well, it couldn’t have been that first one, since we’d have known if someone was infected at the time of their death. And it’s also possible that **Angel** was **paul** ’s Sinfection, and that **Pinkies** forgot to do his. But it seems more likely than not that there was someone else. Anyway, **Thing Fish** is probably correct that focusing on Sin specifically is counterproductive. We’ve hurt them pretty bad, and they probably can’t hurt us. And anti-town is anti-town; if we see someone acting against the Town, we lynch them, same as any other game. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1205 "2009-05-13T23:48:56Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I think I understand. > > You’re saying that Captain may have used his power to infect someone during the Night because he was Ostracized… Am I correct? > > and, a second yes/no question > > Do you think it’s likely that we had only one Sinner? > > Because I’m certainly thinking that the game is very unbalanced for the sinners if there was only 1 who could infect. That person would HAVE to survive a long time to have a decent shot at winning, since they would only win when everyone alive is sinfected. If they died early, a small percentage would be sinfected. (still a possible win, but not very likely) > > I think it’s more likely that there are a few Sinners, and they can continue to sinfect. 1. Yes. 2. Yes. But first has 3 ways to give the Sinfect person. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1206 "2009-05-13T23:50:49Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > and, a second yes/no question > > Do you think it’s likely that we had only one Sinner? I am not sure if you meant for this to be open to everyone, but I’ll answer as well. No, it seems unlikely that we would have had just one initial Sinner. You basically said what I was thinking. Why even have it as a faction? The lone Sinner would be most likely screwed, unless they had a way to sinfect more than one per Night. By eliminating execution, they would have been even more screwed(losing the Daytime potential sinfection). I would guess there are 2-3 Sinners, with one dead. Do you guys agree? Am I wrong in my estimation? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1207 "2009-05-13T23:55:47Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > **Votes Rysto** as a result of the voting record. Has thrown opposite ballot one day one and votes the Paulo day first person two. Angel, can you please explain your Rysto vote again? I get the idea that he twice voted for Paul, but what is the thing about opposite voting? I know you are limited to Chinese-English translation, so I’ll try to help by asking a question. 1. Do you mean by “has thrown opposite ballot one day one” that he changed his vote? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1208 "2009-05-14T00:00:06Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Angel, can you please explain your Rysto vote again? I get the idea that he twice voted for Paul, but what is the thing about opposite voting? > > I know you are limited to Chinese-English translation, so I’ll try to help by asking a question. > > 1. Do you mean by “has thrown opposite ballot one day one” that he changed his vote? > > 😕 No. ☹ The day has ended, does not use from a Rysto final vote. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1209 "2009-05-14T00:03:45Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Quoth **special ed** :Well, it couldn’t have been that first one, since we’d have known if someone was infected at the time of their death. And it’s also possible that **Angel** was **paul** ’s Sinfection, and that **Pinkies** forgot to do his. But it seems more likely than not that there was someone else. You’re assuming that the sinfection happened before the Night Kill. Depending on the order: 1. The Sinfection could have targeted the same person who was NK’d, but because the kill went through first, the person escape. 2. Or **paul** ’s sinfection could have targeted \*\*Angel \*\*AND the Sinners could have targeted **Angel** , resulting in only 1 Sinfection. 3. Or the **paul** ’s sinfection could have targeted \*\*Captain \*\*or another Sinner who, of course, couldn’t be sinfected more and wouldn’t admit it anyway. 4. Or one of the Sinfections could have targeted a Blackheart who has chosen to remain quiet since their win condition doesn’t change and they don’t want to draw attention to themselves. 4. Or one of the Sinfections could have targeted someone who had some sort of Seed of Sin protection 5. Or one of the Sinfections could have hit a Townie who has chosen to remain quiet for their own reason (conversion of win condition maybe?), like you suggested. and I may be forgetting something else. > [@Chronos](#): > > Anyway, **Thing Fish** is probably correct that focusing on Sin specifically is counterproductive. We’ve hurt them pretty bad, and they probably can’t hurt us. And anti-town is anti-town; if we see someone acting against the Town, we lynch them, same as any other game. I agree that we need to focus elsewhere, but let’s not assume we’re free from the worry of the Sinners winning. We’ve killed only 1 Sinner, and if there was just 1 to start with, then they had almost no chance of winning anyway. I still see no reason to assume just one sinner. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1210 "2009-05-14T00:04:27Z")
Ok you phuquers are in for a little different experience form here on out. Gonna catch up for a bit and then to hand you some scummer heads on a pole. Either that or something that is really distasteful. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1211 "2009-05-14T00:06:28Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I am not sure if you meant for this to be open to everyone, but I’ll answer as well. > > No, it seems unlikely that we would have had just one initial Sinner. You basically said what I was thinking. Why even have it as a faction? The lone Sinner would be most likely screwed, unless they had a way to sinfect more than one per Night. By eliminating execution, they would have been even more screwed(losing the Daytime potential sinfection). > > I would guess there are 2-3 Sinners, with one dead. Do you guys agree? Am I wrong in my estimation? I think to have started with 3 Sinners would probably have made the balance the best. With potentially various ways to remove the seed of Sin or force it’s removal, as well as the expected death of some of the Sinfected players, they’ve got a tough win condition. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1212 "2009-05-14T00:45:53Z")
**Angel** , are you trying to say that I didn’t vote for the lynch victim Day One? ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1213 "2009-05-14T01:21:38Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > **Angel** , are you trying to say that I didn’t vote for the lynch victim Day One? No. ☹ Whether you do have one to vote in a day ending? I could not find one. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1214 "2009-05-14T01:23:33Z")
Are you saying that I didn’t have a vote placed at the end of Day One? My vote was for **paul**. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1215 "2009-05-14T01:47:03Z")
[Rysto’s Day 1 vote](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11099112&postcount=366) ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1216 "2009-05-14T02:57:17Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > [Rysto’s Day 1 vote](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11099112&postcount=366) I have the day then to confuse? The regret, must look like posts is a serious block like this. From Rysto vote in day two? ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1217 "2009-05-14T03:30:56Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > I have the day then to confuse? The regret, must look like posts is a serious block like this. From Rysto vote in day two? Rysto voted Paul in day 2. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1218 "2009-05-14T10:17:20Z")
Ok. I have a novel idea (imagine that). Let’s help an old man out. I am slogging through this bet it is slow going at this point. I have never been a replacement, ever, so it’s kind of disconnected. Anyone want to provide a Cliff’s notes version of what has transpired. Matter of fact a couple of folks synopsyses (sp?) would be kind of helpful. Not only would it help me get up to speed but I think it would also be kind of telling. Bad guys will either jump at the chance to sway me one way or be quiet if their case is weak. Conversely, good folks ought to pipe right up in their righteousness. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 10:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1219 "2009-05-14T10:27:39Z")
And a warning. Since I play this game on a BB it very linear for me. So don’t hold it against me if I suggest that XXXX did blah blah blah on page Z. And then come to find out that XXXX was really blah blah blah on page Z + 4. This could be kind of cool. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1220 "2009-05-14T10:35:51Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Yes, read the first two posts and post any questions for ped in green. Pedescribe is 100% reliable. We are all until the game begins, actually. Once the game is on, everyone is suspect, except Ped. > > This game is using two kinds of “kill”, each with its own affect on the players. Read about the factions and win conditions on the first page. Ok, first major problem. **Pede** is always suspect. **Vote Mahaloth** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=60) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=62)