# The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 24, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271 "2009-04-24T22:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 64
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1261 "2009-05-14T18:57:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Chronos, are you on ADD medication? If so, I think you need your dose adjusted downward. I’ve been keeping that list updated continuously throughout the game… I figured it’s the only way I could possibly keep track of anything. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1262 "2009-05-14T18:59:12Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Of course it does. In my mind. I’m still waiting for **ed** to do the chicken dance from reefer madness. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1263 "2009-05-14T18:59:59Z")
WIFOM : “” Coca-cola “” is a misplaced post, perhaps meant for a different Mafia Game? Catching up is well and good. But we need to move on today as well. Was anyone else protected last night? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1264 "2009-05-14T19:16:17Z")
Post 762 and prior. > [@special\_ed](#): > > 1. Blackhearts (uninfected with the Seed of Sin) > 2. Sinners > 3. Pure Townies, not currently infected with the seed of sin > 4. Not yet back to Pure Townies, Town players who have been infected with the seed of Sin, but have refused to accept the win condition. They have not finished the process of removing the seed of sin. (e.g., they haven’t finished praying or had the seed removed via another power) > 5. Impure Town who have accepted the Sinner’s win condition. They are still Town. They are not pure. They win with the Sinners. > 6. Re-Pure Town. These are category 5 Town who have had the seed of sin removed from them by another power. They still win with Sinners, but do not count toward the Sinners win condition. (i.e, they can only win if reinfected or dead) > 7. Infected Blackhearts. Their win condition does not change. > > Blackhearts (1 and 7 combined) win when they outnumber 2,3,4,5, and 6 combined > Sinners win when they Eliminate 1, 3, and 6. (either through death of infection) > Townies (3 and 4) win when they have eliminated 1, 2, 5, and 7 (either through death or re-purification for category 5 Town)) > Townies in the 5 and 6 category, win when Sinners win This is very surreal. Almost like **santo** breaking up the turd with the plunger. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1265 "2009-05-14T19:36:24Z")
I am having flashbacks. Do we really need to have this whole tedious argument about editing posts all over again? Although few players in this game seem to agree, I think it is desirable and pro-Town to try to get a vote out there by midDay, and as we are approaching that point I will stick my neck out. As always, vote subject to change as more information emerges or as tea leaves dictate… I would really like to go back and do a detailed reread of Day Two, but I doubt I will have time. I’m going to **vote peekercpa**. Not because he has been weird and throwing votes around arbitrarily (he just does that). Not because he edited a post; although I’m not impressed with that, it seems clearly a joke in context. Not even (much) because I think my brain will melt if I have to play for long in a game with both him and **Meeko**. Rather, because of the actions of his predecessor, **Freudian Slit**. As I mentioned way back in [post 501](http://http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11107698&postcount=501), I was very suspicious of her conduct on Day One, when it seemed like she was trying to push the **Spurious G** lynch without actually putting a vote on the record. Then yesterday she was one of four people who [voted for **paul**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11114491&postcount=724) (without going into detail about her reasoning, but that’s what she does). It seems very likely to me that scum are overrepresented in that group, and since I was one of them and I know I’m Town, the odds seem pretty good of finding scum by voting within that group.The other two (\*\*Mahaloth \*\*and **Rysto** ) haven’t really pinged me, so I’ll keep an eye on them. **peeker,** however, is unlikely to say anything linear enough to be held accountable for, so whoot, there it is. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1266 "2009-05-14T19:36:31Z")
Post 808. > [@Meeko](#): > > I really hate the timing in Mafia. > > Haggle, has no “in game” timing. As such, you can do anything, anytime. – It gets real fun when you are just checking in on the thread, and find 2 other players trying to make an offer to each other, that you can make better. > > I digress. > > Timing sucks. If you can’t even stand the tempo in Mafia, which is, I must say incredibly long per Day, get out. > > We will help show you the Door. > > **Vote Nanook** Please tell me that we have figured out that **meeker** and **nondeodorant** are on the same side. Back in a bit ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1267 "2009-05-14T19:37:44Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > Post 762 and prior. > > This is very surreal. > > Almost like **santo** breaking up the turd with the plunger. I will strongly consider unvoting you if you promise never, ever to provide more detail about this reference. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1268 "2009-05-14T19:39:39Z")
Oh yeah, **Meeko** claimed to have been protected last night, so we presumably have some sort of Doctor as well. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1269 "2009-05-14T19:41:40Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > Post 808. > > Please tell me that we have figured out that **meeker** and **nondeodorant** are on the same side. > > Back in a bit No No No, you cannot say **meeker** , I won’t allow it. I had a hard enough time in Alpha Centuri trying to keep straight Peeker and Seeker. I’m not going to have to spend half my time saying “Peeker, wait Meeker, wait who now?” ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1270 "2009-05-14T19:46:57Z")
> [@](#): > > Please tell me that we have figured out that meeker and nondeodorant are on the same side. If “nondeodorant” is **special ed** , then yes, we have figured that out, since they’ve both claimed to be “busybodies”, a Mason-like role, and confirmed each other. If “nondeodorant” is someone else, then no we haven’t figured it out, so please share your reasoning. Quoth **Meeko** : > [@](#): > > Was anyone else protected last night? Please, everyone, don’t answer this, as the answer would probably help Scum more than Town. We don’t need Scum knowing about Town power roles. If there are any more protectors, they can decide for themselves how best to use their powers, and we especially don’t want it to be public knowledge who they’re protecting. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1271 "2009-05-14T19:53:14Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I don’t think Sinfected people join the Sinner’s thread. They only share their win condition. \ Ok, I play this game like a lot of you. Couple minutes here a couple there. Having waded through this for about six hours or more trends become nore visible. DiNG DiNG DiNG. We have a (w)sinner. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1272 "2009-05-14T19:58:57Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > But Seriously, > > If we are doing a LOT of things for Color, as in, window dressing, Shouldn’t we re-evaluate what **Paul** has claimed? > > IANAMM (I am not a Mafia Mod) BUT: **Shouldn’t there be a strictly better Priest still out there, than what Paul claims he his?** Fisher. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1273 "2009-05-14T20:03:10Z")
What do you mean…Fisher? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1274 "2009-05-14T20:08:38Z")
Ppst 914 > [@Meeko](#): > > Neta: > > Or Can we still vote Captain? Chickenshit. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1275 "2009-05-14T20:23:55Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I know we are all lost in the mechanics of a mafia game. > > We are further lost in the particulars of THIS mafia game. > > I am still further lost on how to play Mafia at all, this being my first game. > > Using tactics from Haggle have gotten me further lost. > > It also doesn’t help that my brain still hasn’t gotten key concepts of this game. – It could be (Neutral comment here) just the group I am playing with reacting to me. > > That being said, I look forward to playing with peekercpa, if I ever can. > > We should sell tickets to that thing. 🙂 Come one, Come all. Are you ready to rrrruuuummmmbbbllleee. In the blue corner you have **meek** weighing in at an astoundindingly perfectly proportioned state (don’t fucking even have a clue). And in the gold corner you have **peek** fighting under the Cuervo banner of his perpetual state. Ding ding ding. **peek** How bout a beer? **meek** Sure **announcer**. Here is a drink to the most interesting people in the world. ps **Peek**. I am hammered. Hope you are driving. To be continued … ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1276 "2009-05-14T20:24:28Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > What do you mean…Fisher? I think he is accusing **Meeko** of “fishing”, i.e. saying things intended to make Town power roles blunder into revealing themselves; obviously a scummy thing to do. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1277 "2009-05-14T20:52:49Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > \ > > Ok, I play this game like a lot of you. Couple minutes here a couple there. Having waded through this for about six hours or more trends become nore visible. > > DiNG DiNG DiNG. > > We have a (w)sinner. I’m a phuqing mason. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1278 "2009-05-14T20:55:10Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > I am having flashbacks. Do we really need to have this whole tedious argument about editing posts all over again? > > Although few players in this game seem to agree, I think it is desirable and pro-Town to try to get a vote out there by midDay, and as we are approaching that point I will stick my neck out. As always, vote subject to change as more information emerges or as tea leaves dictate… I would really like to go back and do a detailed reread of Day Two, but I doubt I will have time. > > I’m going to **vote peekercpa**. Not because he has been weird and throwing votes around arbitrarily (he just does that). Not because he edited a post; although I’m not impressed with that, it seems clearly a joke in context. Not even (much) because I think my brain will melt if I have to play for long in a game with both him and **Meeko**. > > Rather, because of the actions of his predecessor, **Freudian Slit**. As I mentioned way back in [post 501](http://http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11107698&postcount=501), I was very suspicious of her conduct on Day One, when it seemed like she was trying to push the **Spurious G** lynch without actually putting a vote on the record. Then yesterday she was one of four people who [voted for **paul**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11114491&postcount=724) (without going into detail about her reasoning, but that’s what she does). It seems very likely to me that scum are overrepresented in that group, and since I was one of them and I know I’m Town, the odds seem pretty good of finding scum by voting within that group.The other two (\*\*Mahaloth \*\*and **Rysto** ) haven’t really pinged me, so I’ll keep an eye on them. **peeker,** however, is unlikely to say anything linear enough to be held accountable for, so whoot, there it is. You mean that you think there are Sinners in the group voting for paul, correct? Because the Blackhearts wouldn’t know if Captain or paul were Sinners, Town, or 3rd party. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1279 "2009-05-14T21:03:14Z")
> [@](#): > > You mean that you think there are Sinners in the group voting for paul, correct? Because the Blackhearts wouldn’t know if Captain or paul were Sinners, Town, or 3rd party. And likewise, the Sinners wouldn’t know if they were Blackhearts, Town, or 4th party. And really, if a person thinks someone is Scum, does it really matter what kind of Scum? I mean, maybe if we knew 100% that one person was a Sinner, and knew 100% that some other person was a Blackheart, there’d be a basis to decide there which one to kick out first, but when are we ever going to be in that situation? ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1280 "2009-05-14T21:11:16Z")
You ( **ed the phuqing mason** ) are right, Sinners would have a stronger motivation to vote for **paul** (protecting **Capt. Pinkies** ) Blackhearts would still have a motivation to pile votes on anyone who they knew wasn’t a Blackheart, though (which happened early on as **paul** jumped to a six-vote lead). I am going to try to analyze Yesterday’s voting patterns in more detail and report back. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=63) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=65)