# The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 24, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271 "2009-04-24T22:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 65
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1281 "2009-05-14T21:19:00Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > 😕 > > Ok. > > The long and short of it is this, if we are going to lose ANOTHER player for a non in-game reason, I think we should fast-forward the in game clock, or something. > > At the very least, If we are getting someone NEW in, then we SHOULD reset all of the current votes. > > We WILL get new informaiton from new players. > > I don’t think I have I am currently voting, but, just to make sure : > > \*\*Unvote whomever I was voting for, If I was voting for someone. \*\* > > I don’t think it is fair to maintain a vote to one person or another, when the game WILL change, regardless of any Vote, or No vote, or both. Ok, I was going to come over the top but bit my tongue. This is less than an ideal play. Peek Please close your eyes: what the ever living hell? Can there be a more anti-town/scum play to be had. I mean not even flipping a vote. You have got to be flipping kidding me. Sheeps. Uncover eyes: thanks for your efforts. I am sure that you will find someone suitable for your suspicions by Day end. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1282 "2009-05-14T21:24:19Z")
I choose at first accept the sin. I all which obtains from Pedescribe is " Interesting. Noted." When I had discovered Paulo plans to wash me, has provided me…Returns to another choice which and Sinners’ the town or maintains; Victory situation. I choose return to the town. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1283 "2009-05-14T21:26:45Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > I choose at first accept the sin. I all which obtains from Pedescribe is " Interesting. Noted." When I had discovered Paulo plans to wash me, has provided me…Returns to another choice which and Sinners’ the town or maintains; Victory situation. I choose return to the town. I accidentally have posted that the thread which forbids, therefore I am killed probably mod. The regret, I from this committee system’s confusion am true. Before I am dies further, helps the town I to want to supply this information. **Unvote Rysto** ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1284 "2009-05-14T21:39:27Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > I will strongly consider unvoting you if you promise never, ever to provide more detail about this reference. It ain’t my story. It’s my bud’s. He fauxed up and I don’t even know how he is. Could be dead for all I know. That’s how much of a friend I am. There’s a thread somewhere. I think **oredigger** started it. Seriously, don’t want to rain on a parade but he is one of the good ones. Right, **pede**? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1285 "2009-05-14T21:55:07Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > I accidentally have posted that the thread which forbids, therefore I am killed probably mod. The regret, I from this committee system’s confusion am true. Before I am dies further, helps the town I to want to supply this information. > > **Unvote Rysto** Whoa, whoa, wait a minute. No sepoku on my watch. Peeker ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1286 "2009-05-14T22:57:30Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > And likewise, the Sinners wouldn’t know if they were Blackhearts, Town, or 4th party. > > And really, if a person thinks someone is Scum, does it really matter what kind of Scum? I mean, maybe if we knew 100% that one person was a Sinner, and knew 100% that some other person was a Blackheart, there’d be a basis to decide there which one to kick out first, but when are we ever going to be in that situation? No, it doesn’t matter which kind we kill. I guess if we’re trying to figure out who is who by voting patterns though, it pays to remember that we have 2 anti-Town factions in play who might not know who the other members are. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1287 "2009-05-14T23:00:38Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > I choose at first accept the sin. I all which obtains from Pedescribe is " Interesting. Noted." When I had discovered Paulo plans to wash me, has provided me…Returns to another choice which and Sinners’ the town or maintains; Victory situation. I choose return to the town. believeth you not perhaps. I think perhaps you’re stuck in the worst of both worlds. You’ve been purified, but you retain the Sinner’s win condition. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1288 "2009-05-14T23:03:13Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > I choose at first accept the sin. I all which obtains from Pedescribe is " Interesting. Noted." When I had discovered Paulo plans to wash me, has provided me…Returns to another choice which and Sinners’ the town or maintains; Victory situation. I choose return to the town. I don’t see a timestamp? What did you do that was forbidden? Did you PM someone? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1289 "2009-05-14T23:20:02Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I don’t see a timestamp? What did you do that was forbidden? Did you PM someone? She is saying she posted in the Forbidden Thread, I believe. Must have not realized it was that thread instead of this one. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1290 "2009-05-14T23:49:58Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > She is saying she posted in the Forbidden Thread, I believe. Must have not realized it was that thread instead of this one. Yes. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1291 "2009-05-15T00:00:08Z")
Assuming for the moment that **Angel** is speaking the (garbled) truth, this is a good opportunity to learn some useful information. **Angel** , when you originally accepted the Sinner win condition, did **pede** tell you any information about the identity of the other Sinners? Did he give you any method whereby you might choose someone else to Sinfect? Did he, in fact, give you any other information whatsoever? (feel free to answer by quoting my sentences, and following with a simple “yes” or “no” to each). ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1292 "2009-05-15T00:02:03Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > believeth you not perhaps. > > I think perhaps you’re stuck in the worst of both worlds. > > You’ve been purified, but you retain the Sinner’s win condition. You do not have the reason to trust me. I have lain about the pray. But remembers I’ Said many times ve I thought that the cap is the only primitive criminal. That stimulates my choice town. I do not have the strength to Sinfect anybody. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1293 "2009-05-15T00:50:33Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > You do not have the reason to trust me. I have lain about the pray. Are you saying that you lied about praying to be cleansed? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1294 "2009-05-15T01:44:21Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Quoth **Meeko** :Please, everyone, don’t answer this, as the answer would probably help Scum more than Town. We don’t need Scum knowing about Town power roles. If there are any more protectors, they can decide for themselves how best to use their powers, and we especially don’t want it to be public knowledge who they’re protecting. \*\*This Game works with information, not lack of information. I am sick and tired of everyone accusing me of trying to “fish” for something. Right now, this game couldn’t pour water out of a boot, with instructions on the heel. \*\* Chronos has SYSTEMATICALLY tried to discount what I had to say. He also Systematically tries deconstruct the town. Peeker, I don’t know what your deal is, but I’m ignoring your pinging for the time being. **Vote Chronos** ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1295 "2009-05-15T02:00:19Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > \*\*This Game works with information, not lack of information. I am sick and tired of everyone accusing me of trying to “fish” for something. > > Right now, this game couldn’t pour water out of a boot, with instructions on the heel. > \*\* > Chronos has SYSTEMATICALLY tried to discount what I had to say. He also Systematically tries deconstruct the town. > > Peeker, I don’t know what your deal is, but I’m ignoring your pinging for the time being. > > **Vote Chronos** Meeko, you do seem to be fishing, in a few posts. And I just don’t know why you feel the need to know more about Town players. Here’s some pointers for you: [ol] [li]Town needs to figure out who the anti-Town elements are[/li][li]Town does NOT need to figure out who the power roles are[/li][li]Town does NOT need to even know if any power roles exist[/li][li]Town players do not need to convince anyone they are Town[/li][li]Town players do NOT need to play defensively (i.e., playing to not get lynched)[/li][li]Town players do not need to survive[/li][li]Town players do not need to be right[/li][li]Town players do not need to ‘figure out’ the game or ‘know everything’[/li][li]Information is NOT what we are after, Scum is what we are after[/li][/ol] Basically, I’ve summed it up before, the purpose of the game is not surviving, not figuring it out, and not being right. The purpose of the game is to kill all the anti-Town elements. When we fish, we get information. UNfortunately, we cannot hide that information from the anti-Town elements, and knowing what the Town’s’s roles are is much more important to the anti-Town elements than it is to any Town member, OK\< that was probably too long winded and too in-succinct. PS, we aren’t losing yet. It’s no where near time to panic. I know Thing Fish said this: > [@Thing Fish or Idea Fish](#): > > So, if Chronos’ estimate of an initial ratio of 11:4:3 is correct (which has not been in any way confirmed but which seems reasonable), we are now at 8 Town, 4 Blackhearts and 2 Sinners, which means we could conceivably be at LyLo as soon as Tomorrow. Gulp. But, it’s obvioulsy wrong. He’s assuming that Town loses once it’s outnumbered by Sinners and Blackhearts. That’s not right. Blackhearts win when they outnumber Town + Sinners. We’re a long way from that. And Sinners win when they have successfully infected everyone. They’re a long way from that. _ **DISCLAIMER** _ I am in no why supporting Thing Fish’s estimates on numbers of players belonging to each faction, but I do support the idea that we are a long way from lynch or lose. I mean, seriously, Lynch or Lose on Day 3? When we even got a Cult member on Day 2? NO way in hell that’s a fair game. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1296 "2009-05-15T02:14:14Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > 1. Chronos has SYSTEMATICALLY tried to discount what I had to say. > > 2. He also Systematically tries deconstruct the town. > > **Vote Chronos** Numbering of Meeko’s statements is mine. I’m not saying you are wrong, Meeko, but do you have some evidence to back your claim? I don’t mean anecdotal evidence, but actual evidence that supports your claims? ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1297 "2009-05-15T02:14:50Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Are you saying that you lied about praying to be cleansed? Yes. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1298 "2009-05-15T02:20:42Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Are you saying that you lied about praying to be cleansed? That’s what it sounds like to me, until we figure out what’s going on. Vote Angel Sorry, Angel, but at the moment I’m confused. If you have, as Ed suggests, a sinner wincon, you’ve got my vote. I know your text is garbled, so I’m happy to unvote you, if you don’t. Here some questions for you to quite an answer if it help. Are you currently sinfected? Do you currently have a sinner wincon? Will you ever have a town wincon? Do you currently have a town wincon? Where you planning to remain a sinner? Did you lie to us about PM Pede to say you were planning to pray? ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1299 "2009-05-15T02:24:35Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > That’s what it sounds like to me, until we figure out what’s going on. > Vote Angel > > Sorry, Angel, but at the moment I’m confused. If you have, as Ed suggests, a sinner wincon, you’ve got my vote. I know your text is garbled, so I’m happy to unvote you, if you don’t. > > Here some questions for you to quite an answer if it help. > > Are you currently sinfected? > > Do you currently have a sinner wincon? > > Will you ever have a town wincon? > > Do you currently have a town wincon? > > Where you planning to remain a sinner? > > Did you lie to us about PM Pede to say you were planning to pray? D’oh, that should say “here’s some questions for you to QUOTE AND ANSWER.” I sound like Angel the way it came out. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1300 "2009-05-15T02:29:41Z")
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