# The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 24, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271 "2009-04-24T22:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 79
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1561 "2009-05-19T15:37:06Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Are we at a place now, where everyone else is stupid, if they are not as stupid as I am? :smack: That should be: Are we at a place now, where Everyone thinks that everyone else is stupid, if they are not as stupid as I am? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1562 "2009-05-19T15:43:49Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > I suppose there is the third possibility, that he has some weird nonstandard role (always a very real possibility in a **pedescribe** game) that actually is more helpful to Town if softclaimed than if explicitly claimed. But if that is the case, he needs to say so and try to convince us of it, which I think would be a hell of an uphill battle at this point. In principle, I can understand how this could be the case, at the same time however, would Peeker have gone to far off as he had, knowing that he is a power role, as this suggests? I am not going to ask if Peeker is being abnormal. We all know the answer there. Instead: Is Peeker on baseline for “peeker” here? Perhaps, his tells are NOT in _what_ he is saying, but _how_ he is saying, and _how_ he is not saying, it. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1563 "2009-05-19T15:52:48Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > \*\*Does it Matter when the night actions stack, during the night? > > What happens here, if the PMs are sent to pede in THIS order? > > Scummy 1 : Sinfect Joe Smith > Town-Power Riole 1: Protect Joe Smith from Sinfection > > * * * > > Are Actions > > Last in, First Out, > First in, First Out > Last in, Last out > First in, Last out > > Or is there some inherent priority here, that is independant of when the “move” comes in the PM box? \*\* Redirection\>Roleblocks\>Protect\>Kill/Sinfect ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1564 "2009-05-19T15:59:12Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Redirection\>Roleblocks\>Protect\>Kill/Sinfect Wow, that’s not an F4? That would have saved some trouble with the Paul/Angel thing. Where does healing land in your hierarchy? I assume before killing. Meeko, I would say that Peeker is more coherent then normal. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1565 "2009-05-19T16:32:55Z")
> [@](#): > > What really REALLY baffles me, is that Special Ed automatically assumed I was speaking gibberish. Did it never occur to him, that I was speaking in a code? A code to which one does not know the key is, in fact, a variety of gibberish. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1566 "2009-05-19T16:51:58Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Wow, that’s not an F4? That would have saved some trouble with the Paul/Angel thing. Where does healing land in your hierarchy? I assume before killing. > > Meeko, I would say that Peeker is more coherent then normal. Straight healing ranks below sinfection. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1567 "2009-05-19T16:54:19Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Meeko, I would say that Peeker is more coherent then normal. If this is indeed the case, let me add the following: For the most part, I do not try to overly confuse the game. Do I make comments that sometimes include an obscure reference? Yes. Do I try to make comments, that have a double effect, or that could be a semantics mine field? [Ambiguity] Yes. Do I ever reinvent the wheel, as to call people names that have no purpose?\*\* NO.\*\* I believe in the general ideas behind lynch the lurker. [Which is good, given how loud I am.] I KNOW that being active in Haggle gives you the advantage of moving first. Given these two things, I deduce that being, yes, loud, **AND** coherent in Mafia help the player, and in turn, also help the town. I feel that Peeker knew this, Once. Unfortunately, this is what I conclude, and I have no first hand experience. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1568 "2009-05-19T17:00:36Z")
The gruesome ritual of waking up and finding someone horribly butchered was routine for the town. And so…they did. Special Ed, local busybody (Mason), is dead. It is day. Day ends 1:00 PM Sunday EST. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1569 "2009-05-19T17:04:48Z")
On May 12, 2009, 8:55pm I asked : should we claim that we are the only 2 masons yet? on May 12, 2009, 8:57pm Responded There’s no benefit to that. Let’s leave the Scum worrying that there are more of us for now. ## If one of us dies, the other should claim to be the last. That way no one else can claim after us. It was a very small masonry Indeed. Again. Pro Town Masons, Both of us. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1570 "2009-05-19T17:06:23Z")
And OMGUS \*\* VOTE PEEKER\*\* ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1571 "2009-05-19T17:15:20Z")
oh thank god! For once, I’m actually glad to be dead. Lord help the rest of you. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1572 "2009-05-19T17:37:43Z")
**Vote Peeker** It’s all been said by me before, but I’ll summarize. 1. He has voted numerous times with either no reason or extremely poor reasons. Remember his four way pointless vote? - He voted for me because I advised a newcomer about Pedescribe’s job, which took place before the game began and even before the roles were sent out. 1. He did not even vote yesterDay, which is anti-town. 2. He is continually distracting us with weird rants and verbal assaults that take time away from actually discussing the situation. This is anti-town. I’ll add more later if I have to, but he honestly is acting the most scum-like, in my opinion. If he doesn’t turn out to be scum, he’s clearly just a very anti-town townie, which is weird. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1573 "2009-05-19T17:41:03Z")
Well, that was not entirely unexpected. But with **special ed** now confirmed with the certainty of the grave, at least now we can set aside the small chance that he and **Meeko** were false-claiming and were in fact Scum. Moving on, now that it’s officially Day, I will officially **Vote peekercpa** for soft-claiming, for editing (yes, even as a joke, it’s an anti-Town joke), and for flinging votes without explanations (not even incoherent ones). I could throw in some of the evidence against **Freudian Slit** , too, but frankly, I don’t think it’s necessary: Soft-claiming alone is enough reason for me to place a vote. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1574 "2009-05-19T17:57:36Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Well, that was not entirely unexpected. Why not? I have to say I didn’t expect it, as the scum have kind of goofed here. Killing ed and confirming his “busybody” mason role has essentially confirmed Meeko as town and mason. There is still a chance that Meeko is a sinner or that he is some kind of scum mason, but it certainly points toward Meeko being town. I would have expected specialed and Meeko to be one of the later townie’s killed. It was a weird move, but at least somewhat advantageous for us townies. I was going to say “Sorry to see you go, ed”, but it seems he didn’t care. Not sure what’s bothering him so much. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1575 "2009-05-19T18:06:58Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I was going to say “Sorry to see you go, ed”, but it seems he didn’t care. Not sure what’s bothering him so much. We’ve seen what Meeko is like out in the open, can you imagine be stuck in s small, dark, dank, echo-y masonry with him all Day and Night. That’s the kind of thing that high school sitcoms base episodes around (trapped in the basement, trapped in an elevator etc with Screech/Urkel etc) ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1576 "2009-05-19T18:08:00Z")
That orphan ‘s’ should be an ‘a’ ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1577 "2009-05-19T18:27:49Z")
I’m sorry, I can’t do this. There is just too much crap going on for me to follow along. It’s as bad, if not worse, than the Gastard game. Please sub me out or modkill me. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1578 "2009-05-19T18:50:53Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > I’m sorry, I can’t do this. There is just too much crap going on for me to follow along. It’s as bad, if not worse, than the Gastard game. Please sub me out or modkill me. If you say so. Nanook, an Ordinary Puritan, has been modkilled at his own request. Why not sub? Because it’s day four, this game has proven to be nightmarishly complex, and all of the spectators are unwilling. Updated Player List: Player List: Alive: 1. Allwalker 2. BillMC 3. Chronos 4. [del]Freudian Slit[/del] Peekercpa 5. [del]GuyIncognitto[/del] Inner Stickler 6. Joey P. 7. [del]Justin Credible[/del] Bear\_Nenno 8. Mahaloth 9. Meeko 10. [del]Sir Dirx[/del] Rysto 11. Thing Fish Dead: 2. [del]AngeloftheNorth[/del] paulwhoisaghost–Ordinary Puritan 4. Captain Pinkies–Hester Prynne (Sinner) 8. [del]Idle Thoughts[/del] paulwhoisaghost–Traveling Preacher (Town Minion Master) 13. Nanook–Ordinary Puritan 15. Special Ed.–Busybody (Town Mason) 16. Spurious George–Ordinary Puritan 17. Telcontar–Rev. Wilson (Aegis/Purger) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1579 "2009-05-19T19:03:15Z")
> [@](#): > > Why not? I have to say I didn’t expect it, as the scum have kind of goofed here. Killing ed and confirming his “busybody” mason role has essentially confirmed Meeko as town and mason. There is still a chance that Meeko is a sinner or that he is some kind of scum mason, but it certainly points toward Meeko being town. Sure, but we pretty strongly suspected that they were both Town, anyway. Now, instead of having two mostly-confirmed Townies, we have one completely-confirmed Townie, and they can still try to kill off **Meeko** toMorrow night. If I were Scum, I’d almost always go for a known Town power role (even a relatively weak one) before taking a stab in the dark. By the way, what precisely is or was the Gastard game? I’ve heard reference to it as having a particularly sadistic moderator, but I don’t think I ever saw it myself. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1580 "2009-05-19T19:16:44Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > We’ve seen what Meeko is like out in the open, can you imagine be stuck in s small, dark, dank, echo-y masonry with him all Day and Night. That’s the kind of thing that high school sitcoms base episodes around (trapped in the basement, trapped in an elevator etc with Screech/Urkel etc) And, I would guess that playing my Official “It’s a Small World After All” soundtrack album repeatedly, doesn’t help. What about the Barney “I love you” song then? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=78) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=80)