# The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 24, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271 "2009-04-24T22:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 81
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1601 "2009-05-20T15:26:19Z")
For what it’s worth, since we have to deal with **BillMC** again now (at least by proxy), here’s his entire history in this thread since the start of the game: BillMC’s history [85:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11086745#post11086745) Introduction, no real content yet [121:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11088094#post11088094) Question about rules (related to ostracism) [136:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11089566#post11089566) Apology for low participation due to work issues [473:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11104992#post11104992) Speculation about ostracism [490:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11106911#post11106911) More speculation about ostracism; seems suspicious of AllWalker [844:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11117326#post11117326) Complaint about volume of posts [847:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11117742#post11117742) Skeptical of paul’s claim Comments noncommitally on Meeko/special ed/paul claim triangle, and my analysis thereof Suspicious that Bear\_Nenno is hiding in plain sight [Requests sub due to being blocked both at work and at home ISP](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11135528#post11135528) Eight posts, four of which have no connection at all to the game. Out of the rest, most is taken up by discussion of ostracism. I hate to hold this against him, since it’s apparently due to circumstances beyond his control, but damnit, we need information. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1602 "2009-05-20T18:09:48Z")
**Vote Count?** ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1603 "2009-05-20T18:20:13Z")
Meeko, it can’t be that hard to count the votes on your own, right? It’s only been 1 day since Day Four began and only one person has received votes. Peeker(5): Meeko, Mahaloth, Chronos, AllWalker, Thing Fish Am I wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1604 "2009-05-20T18:41:47Z")
That’s what I have, too. I just reread Day Three and nothing really leaped out at me…mostly just much ado about **Meeko** (which is not meant as a slam at **Meeko** ,I believe he is honestly trying to play the game, but his constant postings have the potential to become a distraction). I’m not surprised that nothing was pinging me, the way this game is going we haven’t really forced the scum, especially not the Blackhearts, to try anything risky. I agree with, um, whoever said it a few posts ago, that **peeker** looks like a good lynch for Today and after that we should start looking at lurkers. In that connection, I note that \*\*Bear Nenno \*\*has exactly as many posts as **BillMC** ; **Bear** at least voted once, but it was the ninth vote on the **Spurious** bandwagon, which is about as close as you can possibly come to casting a vote which yields no information. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1605 "2009-05-20T18:42:49Z")
NETA: First sentence above means “My vote tally agrees with **Mahaloth’s** ” ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1606 "2009-05-20T19:10:34Z")
Paul 3.0 here… good news and bad news… well actually… bad news, good news, and bad news… Bad news- I was ensinned last night… strike that… BillMC was… but that’s me now… so HA! to you sinners! Good news- Pede gave me the choice between town or sinner wincon. I chose town. Bad news- Bill’s/my vote was bought… so I can’t vote until told to do so. Here’s the PM… [QUOTE=pedescribe] And, last night, you were ensinned. You can make a choice, town or sinner… Also, your vote was bought, meaning you can’t vote until told. [/QUOTE] I cut out the part about my role… I have to go back and see if BillMC already claimed because there was way too much fluff and I think I may have missed it if he did. Anyway… there ya go… Oh… and if I could vote… it wouldn’t be for Peeker… you all are acting like rat’s to the blackheart and sinner’s pied pipers… ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1607 "2009-05-20T19:24:20Z")
Question: Are we sure that paul here isn’t a sock for dotchan? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1608 "2009-05-20T19:27:50Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > Question: Are we sure that paul here isn’t a sock for dotchan? 😃 Everyone always talks about her… but I have never seen her play… I’ve read a game with her in it once… but it seems like she stopped playing… Wanna try to keep things on target though Rysto? I think this thread has been plagued with fluff enough. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1609 "2009-05-20T19:28:00Z")
Vote Count: Peeker(5): Meeko, Mahaloth, Chronos, AllWalker, Thing Fish ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1610 "2009-05-20T19:29:29Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > And I presume that he’s still not allowed to discuss any of his previous incarnations? And further that he hasn’t been following the Forbidden Thread? Yes to the first. And he is not following the forbidden thread now that he’s playing. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1611 "2009-05-20T20:11:13Z")
> [@](#): > > Anyway… there ya go… Oh… and if I could vote… it wouldn’t be for Peeker… you all are acting like rat’s to the blackheart and sinner’s pied pipers… That’s a very easy thing to say, without saying whom you would vote for instead. Who are the blackhearts, and what pipes are they playing? And I just reviewed **BillMC** ’s entire post history a few posts before yours. He never claimed anything. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1612 "2009-05-20T20:12:10Z")
The forbidden thread is not a spoiler thread… there is no info in there that was not revealed to you here. And I can discuss my previous incarnations… just not any information that you weren’t given here. For example… how would it be fair for you to believe my previous incarnations were telling the truth, and take game info from the situation, but me not to? Not that it matters… You all know everything that I knew. 😛 I made sure of that before I died… well and incidentally after I died the second time… sorry about that Pede. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1613 "2009-05-20T20:19:28Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > That’s a very easy thing to say, without saying whom you would vote for instead. Who are the blackhearts, and what pipes are they playing? > > And I just reviewed **BillMC** ’s entire post history a few posts before yours. He never claimed anything. If I could vote today I would vote for Mahaloth or AllWalker. All through the game they have just seeded what ever bad choices town has made and encouraged them. It’s easy to miss when it’s being drowned out by Peeker and Meeko though. I do agree that their playstyle can get annoying at times, but Peeker is actually being incredibly lucid… understandable even… In any case, lynching them would be a bad move… not that anyone is wanting to lynch Meeko… well… I should say not suggesting it… I’m sure plenty of people want to. But Meeko is just as distracting as Peeker… and he’s town… so… Anyway… yeah.. I would vote for AllWalker or Mahaloth. Oh and Meeko… posting in ROT13 when you are a mason of some kind is REALLY bad play. You have a duty to town… there is no reason for you to try to disguise what you are saying. You should be a clear voice that we can trust. Everything you have been doing has undermined that. I know this is your first game, but I think you might need a few more games to understand what I’m talking about… you really did a number on this one. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1614 "2009-05-20T21:01:25Z")
> [@](#): > > If I could vote today I would vote for Mahaloth or AllWalker. All through the game they have just seeded what ever bad choices town has made and encouraged them. OK, I certainly see what you’re saying re **Mahaloth** , at least: He did seem to be playing a key role in the first two lynches. There just hasn’t been a chance to vote for subtle behaviors like that, yet, when people keep doing out-and-out unambiguously scummy things like soft-claiming or admitting to lying. Note to Town, by the way: Please stop doing scummy things like soft-claiming and lying. Unless you really happen to be Scum, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1615 "2009-05-20T21:26:47Z")
It was the start of a new page. I figured a Vote Count would be easy reference. The Rot 13 thing is simply this, **the game dissects everything** , even when it is\*\* not \*\*called for. If I can prevent that from happening, why not? We all try to make this game work. In our own way. I don’t think I am that different. Further, on my volume. I am generating information. I am not sure what this game (in particular) would look like with out someone posting a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1616 "2009-05-20T21:30:57Z")
So. We have Ed dead, And\*\* BillMC with Sinfection and Bought vote. \*\* I don’t see how Buying a vote can be pro town. So, we look then, too “Why BillMC” ? . Speculation: Buying votes is an exclusive Sinner night choice. Mahaloth has had his vote bought, Bill / Paul 3.0 has had his, Didnt Angel or Allwalker have her’s bought? A bought vote means, in effect that someone gets to vote twice. I would think, that they would not buy their own vote, because it would be a waste of a power. \*\* Who all has had their vote bought? Who was the pesron voted with your bought vote?\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1617 "2009-05-20T21:33:57Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I don’t see how Buying a vote can be pro town. Clearly, you haven’t read T2. The politician forced 3 scum to vote for themselves in that game, and outed me as scum by using her power on me the night she died(I was outed because my vote being bought proved me a liar). ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1618 "2009-05-20T21:34:17Z")
WIFOM: Blackhearts can only NK. Period. Sinners have all the other anti town powers to Fck with us. Paul 3.0 is Town. People with bought votes, more than likely, are NOT Sinners. People voted for with bought Votes are NOT Sinners. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1619 "2009-05-20T21:36:53Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > (I was outed because my vote being bought proved me a liar). \*\* I would have loved to have seen that. I would love an indepth there, but, apparently, I am of no value to this game, don’t want to add to it now. \*\* Have we had anything like that in this game? Is it possible? You guys Continue to get on my case. I am surprised, that you not once suggest that the constant subbing and rule changes are more of a disturbance here. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1620 "2009-05-20T21:40:26Z")
Does anyone haave any further questions on how the Mason role worked in this game? Now that I am the only Mason, I view my self as a virtual vanilla townie. I don’t think how answering questions you might still have, now, could do any harm. Everyone and their brother, now tell me why this is wrong. But after you disect it for non-existant tells. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=80) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=82)