# The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 24, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271 "2009-04-24T22:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 86
**Author:** ![Bear\_Nenno](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bear_nenno/32/3358_2.png) [@Bear\_Nenno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bear_Nenno)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1701 "2009-05-21T19:07:09Z")
Don’t lynch me!! I know it’s scummy to lurk, but I have no freaking clue what’s going on here. As much as I’d love for you guys to put me out of my misery and end my obligation to this game, it is not in Town’s best interest. I am not scum. I tried on three seperate occassions to catch up in this game, but the fact that it’s all in one GIANT thread, makes it hard to seperate everything. Add to that the fact that we can talk strategy at night, it’s impossible to figure out where in the game any particular page is. It’s overwhelming. When I first subbed in, I was fired up and motivated. But all the confustion, rule changes, indecisive mod, subs, etc… I couldn’t take it anymore. Though my life can’t really add much to Town’s efforts, my death will certainly take away from it. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1702 "2009-05-21T19:17:47Z")
Thank you for resolving my uncertainty, **Bear\_Nenno**. You have now established that you are, in fact, still following this game, and just not doing anything to promote Town winning, rather than just having drifted away as I had considered possible. Someone who’s paying no attention to the game at all is as good as dead already, and would be a waste of a lynch, but someone in your situation? You’re dangerous. My vote stands. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1703 "2009-05-21T19:22:27Z")
The politician has spoken **VOTE BEAR\_NENNO** Sorry Bear… I believe you but I have no choice. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1704 "2009-05-21T19:52:43Z")
And now, a series of posts reviewing and impugning the recent contributions of **paulwhoisanMC**. (clears throat) ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1705 "2009-05-21T19:57:02Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > I cut out the part about my role… \*\*I have to go back and see if BillMC already claimed \*\*because there was way too much fluff and I think I may have missed it if he did. > Anyway… there ya go… Oh… and if I could vote… it wouldn’t be for Peeker… you all are acting like rat’s to the blackheart and sinner’s pied pipers… (Bolding mine) Oh, so you have a role to claim? But you’re not telling us what it is? What do we call that? Oh yeah, a _softclaim!_ The very same thing that nearly got you mislynched on Day Two, and did end up getting you Nightkilled! I think **Chronos** has already done a good job of explaining why this is bad, anti-Town play. And the second quoted sentence is just the kind of rude, condescending smudginess we have come to expect from all of your various incarnations. Really, dude, the first two times you were in this game, you were Town and you got yourself killed. If you’re trying to help Town this time around, you’re still not doing a good job of it. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1706 "2009-05-21T20:02:03Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > If I could vote today I would vote for Mahaloth or AllWalker. All through the game they have just seeded what ever bad choices town has made and encouraged them. It’s easy to miss when it’s being drowned out by Peeker and Meeko though. I do agree that their playstyle can get annoying at times, but Peeker is actually being incredibly lucid… understandable even… In any case, lynching them would be a bad move… not that anyone is wanting to lynch Meeko… well… I should say not suggesting it… I’m sure plenty of people want to. But Meeko is just as distracting as Peeker… and he’s town… so… > > Anyway… yeah.. I would vote for AllWalker or Mahaloth. I agree that **Mahaloth** has an unfortunate voting record (as do many of us), but what is your beef with **AllWalker**? He (I think he’s a he, right?) voted for the only scum we have thus far lynched, which makes him look better than most from my POV. Do you think he has done something to encourage mislynches without actually voting for them? If so, please clarify. And I would also like to note that most of the above post (even after I edited out a paragraph addressed to **Meeko** ) isn’t actually about the people you are allegedly presenting a case against. Lame and lazy. More to come, probably soon but maybe not until Tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1707 "2009-05-21T20:03:14Z")
NETA: I mean small-t tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1708 "2009-05-21T20:11:07Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > (Bolding mine) > Oh, so you have a role to claim? But you’re not telling us what it is? What do we call that? Oh yeah, a _softclaim!_ The very same thing that nearly got you mislynched on Day Two, and did end up getting you Nightkilled! I think **Chronos** has already done a good job of explaining why this is bad, anti-Town play. > > And the second quoted sentence is just the kind of rude, condescending smudginess we have come to expect from all of your various incarnations. Really, dude, the first two times you were in this game, you were Town and you got yourself killed. If you’re trying to help Town this time around, you’re still not doing a good job of it. :dubious: Everyone in every mafia game has a role. Whether it be vanilla town or Bulletproof hated townie. If you didn’t have a role then you wouldn’t be playing. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1709 "2009-05-21T20:13:27Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > I agree that **Mahaloth** has an unfortunate voting record (as do many of us), but what is your beef with **AllWalker**? He (I think he’s a he, right?) voted for the only scum we have thus far lynched, which makes him look better than most from my POV. Do you think he has done something to encourage mislynches without actually voting for them? If so, please clarify. > > And I would also like to note that most of the above post (even after I edited out a paragraph addressed to **Meeko** ) isn’t actually about the people you are allegedly presenting a case against. Lame and lazy. > > More to come, probably soon but maybe not until Tomorrow. I said prior to the post that you quoted that there wasn’t a whole lot to go off of. I was pressed to bring alternatives to a Peeker lynch, so I brought up the people who HAD been pinging me the most. It seems that this Day has brought about a lot more meaningful content and I am not as wary of either Mahaloth or Allwalker. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1710 "2009-05-21T20:18:08Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > :dubious: Everyone in every mafia game has a role. Whether it be vanilla town or Bulletproof hated townie. If you didn’t have a role then you wouldn’t be playing. Or, you could just be clueless about the game to begin with, and get further out on trying to explain yourself to people who have given up on you. I understand that we should be running what someone says at one point in time, against what they say later, but frankly, I don’t see much of that at all. I thought that if I Could maintain a level of presence along with some different thinking, I thought I would be ok. But, frankly, One mason by him self is vanilla. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1711 "2009-05-21T20:37:08Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > If Player X has something he wants to share with the rest of town… and no one else is being obvious about being a power role… then he can safely share the info and soft claim under the pretense that he would become the obvious choice for a NK and thus be the obvious choice for protection. The scum then have to WiFoM over whether to kill him or go after a random target. Especially if you are not a vital power role to town like a mason or doc or cop. Then the scum will waste time trying to take you out instead of the more important power roles. That’s post 1638; in 1621 you complained that the Doctor hadn’t been smart enough to protect you (the original you, that is). So apparently what is “obvious” to you isn’t always obvious to others. On the other hand, since the only other claimed Town power roles were masons, who you define as “vital”, apparently you think that it was good that scum “wasted time” taking you out, so what are you bitching about the doctor for? (not to mention that although we have **Meeko’s** testimony that a Doctor exists, we don’t even know for sure that the Doc is pro-Town). Besides which, I think you’re wrong; your claimed role was much stronger than a Mason, if played intelligently. Your efforts to argue that there is some non-convoluted scenario in which softclaiming could be pro-Town continue to underwhelm me. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1712 "2009-05-21T20:51:08Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > I agree that **Mahaloth** has an unfortunate voting record (as do many of us) True(about a lot of us having poor voting records), but I did vote Captain Pinkies on Day One for my final vote and he turned out to be a Sinner, right? ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1713 "2009-05-21T20:56:35Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > **Thing Fish** > Has the unfortunate history of going after players who are later confirmed innocent. By my count, and I may be missing sum, this list includes **Angel** , **special** , **Meeko** , **paul 1**. Also has made cases against **peeker** and **Mahaloth** , who are as yet unconfirmed as being anything. Yeah, I know. It’s not a scumtell so much as a sucktell. ☹ But I wouldn’t say I “made a case” against **Mahaloth** so much as I mentioned in passing that his voting record looked bad. The setup in this game makes vote analysis more difficult than in a regular two-sided game. Presumably a scum in this game would love to make successful cases against members of the _other_ scum team in order to get Town cred. So a record of voting for Town doesn’t say “scum” so much as it says “bad scum-hunter”…except in the case where a vote was close between Town and scum (as on Day Two), where a Town vote should still raise suspicion of a motive to protect a teammate. Unfortunately, in this particular case, when I went back and reread Day Two looking harder at the **paul** voters, although I did notice some mostly- **paul** -unrelated scumminess from **Freudian Slit** , mostly I just thought “Well, _of course_ all these people are voting for **paul** , he’s acting scummier than scum-fried scum in scum sauce with a side of scum!” ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1714 "2009-05-21T21:06:38Z")
Re: **paul’s** WOW on **Inner Stickler** (1673): Lots of smudging, interpreting everything in the worst possible light. Also inconsistency (he thinks **IS** might be a Sinner pretending to be confused about the mechanics of sin, but then he’s pretty sure he isn’t, but he’s still probably scum). Lots of defensiveness about how **IS** called him on his softclaiming, which would have been such a brilliant pro-Town move if only everybody else in this game wasn’t so far below **paul’s** intellectual level. Bottom line,\*\* IS\*\* has been on the lurky side of this game, and seemed very invested in drawing people into pointless speculation about the mechanics of Sin, neither of which are points in his favor. But **paul** seems to have gone into this WOW with a giant-sized axe to grind. On a technical note, how did you quote multiple posts within a single post? That is a very nice thing to be able to do! ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1715 "2009-05-21T21:09:22Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > **peeker** , this doesn’t make any sense at all. There’s no reason to assume that when Mahaloth said “advantageous” he meant “advantageous to town”. Quoted to express total agreement. What the hell are you up to, **peeker**?! ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1716 "2009-05-21T21:10:56Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > :dubious: Everyone in every mafia game has a role. Whether it be vanilla town or Bulletproof hated townie. If you didn’t have a role then you wouldn’t be playing. True, but we don’t usually hear about vanilla Town “claiming”. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1717 "2009-05-21T21:11:59Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > I said prior to the post that you quoted that there wasn’t a whole lot to go off of. I was pressed to bring alternatives to a Peeker lynch, so I brought up the people who HAD been pinging me the most. It seems that this Day has brought about a lot more meaningful content and I am not as wary of either Mahaloth or Allwalker. I am still confused about why you were wary of \*\*AllWalker \*\*in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1718 "2009-05-21T21:14:53Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > No Chronos… to win the game we need to vote people who are scum… not people who are not pro-town. Voting for someone because they are annoying and then provided shotty evidence to back it up is not gonna win us the game… no matter how anti town you think that person is. Agreed. Which is why my vote isn’t on you right now. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1719 "2009-05-21T21:31:56Z")
There is one aspect to the game, that will remain the same, regardless of who thinks the following thought, regardless of how much experience they have. I am having it currently. There will come a point in time, where all players left will have to reevaluate what they were thinking of certain players, who have not claimed. Added to this, is the fact that people who are stuck on voting one person for the next vote, no matter what, will simply not be as productive to the Town as they could be, if they were otherwise undecided. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1720 "2009-05-21T21:33:14Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Re: **paul’s** WOW on **Inner Stickler** (1673): Lots of smudging, interpreting everything in the worst possible light. Also inconsistency (he thinks **IS** might be a Sinner pretending to be confused about the mechanics of sin, but then he’s pretty sure he isn’t, but he’s still probably scum). Lots of defensiveness about how **IS** called him on his softclaiming, which would have been such a brilliant pro-Town move if only everybody else in this game wasn’t so far below **paul’s** intellectual level. > > Bottom line,\*\* IS\*\* has been on the lurky side of this game, and seemed very invested in drawing people into pointless speculation about the mechanics of Sin, neither of which are points in his favor. But **paul** seems to have gone into this WOW with a giant-sized axe to grind. > > On a technical note, how did you quote multiple posts within a single post? That is a very nice thing to be able to do! No… I said that EITHER IS was clueless about sin and so not a Sinner… OR he was a sinner making it seem that way. And I then made it abundantly clear that I was convince he was truly clueless. The only reason I brought up the other option is because it is an option. And a WOW is not going to be impartial… what would be the point of not stating my opinion when reposting someone’s posts? When Meeko brought up Bear and IS… I didn’t have much an opinion. They had flown under my radar. But there wasnt anything to turn up on Bear… and when I read through IS’s posts I got a very scummy vibe from him. So naturally my comments on his posts in the WOW I did is going to reflect those scummy feelings. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=85) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=87)