# The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 24, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271 "2009-04-24T22:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 93
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1841 "2009-05-25T00:48:12Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Why wouldn’t the scum all claim to be VT? Noted. Already responded in my anticipatory: > [@Meeko](#): > > I also have to work how we are all going to mass claim. Given that this task falls on me, the only confirmed Townie, I can understand at once that it has to be played with care. Each iteration will have advantages, and disadvantages. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1842 "2009-05-25T01:34:44Z")
I have an Idea about one player. Should I voice my opinons NOW, ala WOW, or should I keep it mum, and work it into my schedule of mass claiming? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1843 "2009-05-25T01:42:50Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > K, so how does a mass claim work? The last game I played in(Werewolf Split) did not ever get to the point of the mass claim. Basically, we got rather lucky on the last couple of days and lynched scum, rather quickly ending the game. > > Anyway, I’m for it if everyone agrees it’s the best. What do we have to do? > > And I agree, we should wait until Dawn and I’m cool with Meeko making the order list. While I agree he is 95% confirmed, we can’t know for sure. I haven’t gotten the sense that this game has a mason scum(does this kind of thing exist?), but how would I know? this is not strategy but fact. how the fuck would you even have a clue if **meeko** would be around if you weren’t sure that he was going to be around tomorrow. sheesh, this is like double a. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1844 "2009-05-25T01:50:32Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > this is not strategy but fact. > > how the fuck would you even have a clue if **meeko** would be around if you weren’t sure that he was going to be around tomorrow. > > sheesh, this is like double a. The triple a is that you are trying to NK me here, peeker. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1845 "2009-05-25T01:50:47Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > how the fuck would you even have a clue if **meeko** would be around if you weren’t sure that he was going to be around tomorrow. You are such an idiot. I was confirming/agreeing with what Chronos had already suggested in the post above. Do you even bother reading the thread? 😕 Here, read the quote from a PREVIOUS post by Chronos. > [@Chronos](#): > > **And Meeko, since you’re confirmed Town, you should choose what order everyone should claim in**. :bolding mine: See? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1846 "2009-05-25T01:58:37Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > You are such an idiot. I was confirming/agreeing with what Chronos had already suggested in the post above. Do you even bother reading the thread? > > 😕 > > Here, read the quote from a PREVIOUS post by Chronos. > > :bolding mine: > > See? yepper, how the fuck do you know he will be around in the morning? are you even bothering to read what is going on? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1847 "2009-05-25T02:00:07Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > yepper, how the fuck do you know he will be around in the morning? are you even bothering to read what is going on? Peeker is playing at sour grapes again? That’s what I am reading. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1848 "2009-05-25T02:01:17Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > The triple a is that you are trying to NK me here, peeker. :eek: actually you should be pretty safe unless **ma** and his blackheart buddies go stupid. so yeh, you are right you have a pretty good chance of being dead. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1849 "2009-05-25T02:04:16Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Peeker is playing at sour grapes again? > > That’s what I am reading. i don’t see what point you are trying to make. a hole was dug, i am trying to backfill the sumbitch. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1850 "2009-05-25T02:06:35Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > actually you should be pretty safe unless **ma** and his blackheart buddies go stupid. > > so yeh, you are right you have a pretty good chance of being dead. If I couldn’t have claimed when I did, I would probably already be dead. Play Peeker off, keyboard cat! \*\* I was with you in the temple courtyard every day and you didn’t try to arrest me. But this is your time, when darkness rules.\*\* **Oh death, where is thy sting?** ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1851 "2009-05-25T02:07:50Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Peeker is playing at sour grapes again? > > That’s what I am reading. Just forget it, Meeko. Peeker suspects me, which is fine, but I don’t know why he has to be so rude and idiotic about it. He seems…very angry and sad. I don’t know why. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1852 "2009-05-25T02:08:53Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > You are such an idiot. I was confirming/agreeing with what Chronos had already suggested in the post above. Do you even bother reading the thread? > > 😕 > > Here, read the quote from a PREVIOUS post by Chronos. > > :bolding mine: > > See? and jus because your buddy **chronos** posted before you doesn’t make it any less pis. you should know that. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1853 "2009-05-25T02:13:35Z")
neta: jus=just or it might be juice or jus. one is a flavorable beverage and the other is a dipping sauce. step up to the big leagues boys and girls. idlemafia awaits the true believers. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1854 "2009-05-25T02:18:12Z")
Getting back to my question. I have a NEW theory. Should I work on it in public, NOW, or should I wait ? ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1855 "2009-05-25T02:29:22Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Getting back to my question. > > I have a NEW theory. > > Should I work on it in public, NOW, or should I wait ? For goodness sake, **Meeko** , you are practically confirmed Town who keeps spouting stuff about a theory. You might want to say it now, before you get Night Killed. This **Bear** thing was bad. He came up innocent, and so that makes me a target. But he was incredibly Scummy, and I justified my vote as such. We can’t hit Town every time. The fact that he was innocent doesn’t help much, as he didn’t post much. But the could be breadcrumbs, there could be breadcrumbs everywhere… his will require some revision. Whenever an alignment is confirmed, revision becomes necessary. But that will come later. I wont post much toNight, as is my style, but if I stumble across something I will let the Town know. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1856 "2009-05-25T02:32:03Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Yeeesh. > > What position does this put us townies in? I know we don’t know how many Sinners/Blackhearts we have or started with, but does anyone have a theory as to how our loss of yet another pure townie affects our win odds? How many more mislynches can we afford? > > ☹ Yeesh, indeed. I’m thinking we probably started with 12 Townies and 6 scum; just seems like a nice symmetry, but maybe it was 11-7. Given the Sinners recruitment ability, I would guess that if one scum team was smaller than the other, it would be them. Basically, the three opening alignments that seem most plausible to me would be 11-4-3, 12-4-2 or 12-3-3. Which would mean, respectively, that we are right now at 4-4-2, 5-4-1, or 5-3-2. Which in turn means that, unless our Doc comes up huge tonight or some subsequent Night, we could be basically in lynch or lose (or, technically, lynch or be in a position of not only having to vote perfectly the rest of the game, but also win a coin flip every Day, which is pretty close to the same thing). It also looks to me like we probably can’t win unless the Blackhearts kill at least one Sinner for us along the way, but Og knows we are overdue for some luck at this point. Definitely feels like mass claim time. I wonder, though, if we should request that our Doc _not_ claim truthfully, given that it seems like he would have to be the most important player in the game at this point, with the potential to prevent a nightkill and get our backs a little further from the wall. On preview, **peeker** , perhaps inadverdently, raises a good point. It would be best for **Meeko** to instruct us on how to claim before Dawn. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1857 "2009-05-25T02:38:17Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > _Rysto’s vote added to quote. Inner Stickler’s vote neglected for clarity_. > > **peeker** has attracted 2 votes toDay. If the 2 people who haven’t yet voted for any of the vote leaders voted together they could swing the results, or force a tie. Surprisingly, the current vote leader is pleading to be spared yet has not casted a vote in self defense. Tsk tsk, I say. Of all the people in Town, the only people who are voting for **peeker** are high on the suspect list of the rest of town. What does this mean? Nothing, until we identify some more bad guys. > > Bear\_Nenno? Care to cast your vote toDay? Time is running out. (Underlining mine) Yeah, too bad **Bear** couldn’t be bothered to cast a vote to save himself. Town has really been handicapped by getting all the lurkers this game, it seems. I’m not sure what to make of the underlined sentence. The two people she mentioned are me and Mahaloth. I had no votes on me, and Mahaloth had three, one of whom was **peeker** himself and another of which was **Meeko** , who explicitly told us that his vote had nothing to do with him thinking \*\*Mahaloth \*\*was scum. So I don’t know what to make of that statement, but it feels kind of smudgy. If, God willing, we get around to lynching **peeker** one of these Days and he comes up scum, I will be looking harder at **AllWalker**. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1858 "2009-05-25T02:40:02Z")
**Chronos** , thanks for rerunning your math in light of new information. Did you see my post 1814? ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1859 "2009-05-25T02:42:24Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Getting back to my question. > > I have a NEW theory. > > Should I work on it in public, NOW, or should I wait ? Yeah, what **AllWalker** said. You are at high risk of being nightkilled, being confirmed Town, so the more information you can share with us, the better, in general. Of course, if you can think of a specific reason why it would be better to keep it until after Dawn, use your own judgment. But if not, the default should definitely be to talk early and often. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1860 "2009-05-25T02:50:02Z")
Ok, re-reading what was Just posted: Let me clarify my Statement : I believe that a player (NOT Mahaloth) is breadcrumbing, A LOT. I believe that player to be town. If I drop that NOW, won’t that make the NK even easier? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=92) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=94)