# The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 24, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271 "2009-04-24T22:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 94
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1861 "2009-05-25T02:53:01Z")
What do you mean, won’t that make the NK easier? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1862 "2009-05-25T02:55:25Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > What do you mean, won’t that make the NK easier? I think the person is a Power Role. It would be an easy NK then. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1863 "2009-05-25T03:03:05Z")
How would we do this, If I were to? Would I simply ask player X to claim a role. Wait until he or she does so, Then ask Player Y to claim Wait, Player Z ETC ? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1864 "2009-05-25T03:03:33Z")
Quoth **Thing Fish** : > [@](#): > > Chronos, thanks for rerunning your math in light of new information. > > Did you see my post 1814? > Reply With Quote > [@](#): > > I would be interested, if the math wouldn’t be too complicated, to see what it would look like if we assumed that every BH had voted for either no or one other BH. If we could make such a relatively small shift in our assumptions and not have it translate into a huge shift in the results, I would think that would be a point in favor of the method. Whoops, sorry I didn’t reply to that earlier. I agree that that would be a valuable result to see, but implementing it would be more programming than I’m willing to do without getting paid or graded for it. I suspect, though, that the result would be to almost completely wipe out the signal, such that all players would look almost identical. Quoth **Meeko** : > [@](#): > > Ok, re-reading what was Just posted: > > Let me clarify my Statement : > > I believe that a player (NOT Mahaloth) is breadcrumbing, A LOT. > > I believe that player to be town. > > If I drop that NOW, won’t that make the NK even easier? In other words, you suspect that a particular player is a Town power role, with information e’s trying to subtly share? In that case, hold onto the information. So far as we know, only one person can die during the night (and if multiple people can die in the night, then we’re pretty much screwed no matter what). If you die, then the person you’re looking at will live, and can share the information emself openly toMorrow. If the person you’re looking at dies, then you live, and you can tell us all about whatever breadcrumbs you’re seeing then. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1865 "2009-05-25T03:04:42Z")
> [@](#): > > How would we do this, If I were to? > > Would I simply ask player X to claim a role. > > Wait until he or she does so, > > Then ask Player Y to claim > > Wait, > > Player Z > > ETC ? You’d have to give us the whole list toNight, in case you get killed before then (a very real possibility, given that the Scum have already decided to kill one Mason). ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1866 "2009-05-25T03:09:11Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > You’d have to give us the whole list toNight, in case you get killed before then (a very real possibility, given that the Scum have already decided to kill one Mason). Problem here is, scum would wait and never claim. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1867 "2009-05-25T03:12:59Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Quoth **Meeko** :In other words, you suspect that a particular player is a Town power role, with information e’s trying to subtly share? In that case, hold onto the information. So far as we know, only one person can die during the night (and if multiple people can die in the night, then we’re pretty much screwed no matter what). If you die, then the person you’re looking at will live, and can share the information emself openly toMorrow. If the person you’re looking at dies, then you live, and you can tell us all about whatever breadcrumbs you’re seeing then. Well Done. This might be the only dissection of my comments that I completely, 100% agree with. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1868 "2009-05-25T03:14:44Z")
Quoth **Inner Stickler** : > [@](#): > > Why wouldn’t the scum all claim to be VT? They could, but then we’d at least have a list of known Town (those who claimed roles that we know exist). Quoth **Meeko** : > [@](#): > > Problem here is, scum would wait and never claim. If they did that, then they’d be making it pretty obvious that they’re scum, wouldn’t they? I’d be nice for the Scum to show a blatant Scum-tell for a change. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1869 "2009-05-25T03:17:04Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I’d be nice for the Scum to show a blatant Scum-tell for a change. Should I wait for more opinions, or should I go ahead? I do, in fact have a list drawn up. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1870 "2009-05-25T03:18:06Z")
Incidentally, I am guessing in context, that VT is Power Role Townie. Correct? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1871 "2009-05-25T03:21:17Z")
No. VT stands for Vanilla Townie, or in this game, Puritan. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1872 "2009-05-25T03:25:15Z")
Anyone in here know how to play Magic The Gathering? Should I play an **Epic** Permanent Here? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1873 "2009-05-25T03:34:48Z")
I would bet, that nearly all Mafia games have a distinct moment, where, each player can see their end game. True? That, or I could just be seeing my life flash before my eyes. Either way, it is good to know that our town has gained an hour. Must be Autumn. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1874 "2009-05-25T03:37:51Z")
\*\*Pede, Do we still have that moonshine? \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1875 "2009-05-25T03:40:51Z")
Incidentally, where does the explanation of my Mahaloth vote fit into all of this ? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1876 "2009-05-25T03:43:10Z")
NETA: Mahaloth: I want to ask a very specific question about your role. Can I ask it ? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1877 "2009-05-25T03:50:12Z")
> [@](#): > > Incidentally, where does the explanation of my Mahaloth vote fit into all of this ? How should we know? Nobody but you knows what the explanation of your Mahaloth vote is. > [@](#): > > Mahaloth: I want to ask a very specific question about your role. Since when does anyone need permission to ask questions? Which is not to say that he’ll necessarily want to answer immediately or truthfully. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1878 "2009-05-25T04:01:09Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Since when does anyone need permission to ask questions? Which is not to say that he’ll necessarily want to answer immediately or truthfully. I am aware of this. The question could confirm my theory I had on Mahaloth, but if it does, the question would be a can of worms, if Mahaloth tackles it. If it does confirm my theory, I would want to give Mahaloth an out here. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1879 "2009-05-25T04:15:26Z")
I am just tossing this out here: What if I post the list, and STRONGLY suggest that people at the bottom of the list do not claim until people above them claimed? ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1880 "2009-05-25T04:40:09Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Anyone in here know how to play Magic The Gathering? > > Should I play an **Epic** Permanent Here? I do! And from my perspective, you played one turn one: Continuing Talkage 0 Rare Make a number of insights on the game equal to the number of cards in your deck. Epic _So is the time limit, like, a strictly enforced thing or what?_ 😛 > [@Meeko](#): > > \*\*Pede, Do we still have that moonshine? \*\* Yes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=93) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=95)