# The cult of Bohemian Grove **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 9, 2015, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211 "2015-02-09T13:31:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/221 "2015-02-10T18:35:04Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > What if we just don’t give a hoot? Well, clearly, you pollute. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/222 "2015-02-10T19:17:44Z")
[Moloch?](http://www.amazon.com/Design-Toscano-QM2334000-Perching-Multicolored/dp/B00AKKHS6O/ref=sr_1_1?s=furniture&ie=UTF8&qid=1423595801&sr=1-1&keywords=owl+statue) ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/223 "2015-02-10T19:20:44Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > And you gonna remember this day, when the truth came to you and you didn’t listen. They laughed at me at the Academy! But I’ll have my revenge, just you wait… ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/224 "2015-02-10T19:47:03Z")
So do demon owls from Bohemian Grove migrate? Like to Coconut Grove or China Grove? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/225 "2015-02-10T19:51:51Z")
Walnut Grove? Now THERE’S a Little House reunion movie I’d watch! ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/226 "2015-02-10T20:00:18Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > All of you have been told. Once you die, there’s no turning back. The Big Owl gonna fuck you all every day and forever. And you gonna remember this day, when the truth came to you and you didn’t listen. > Peace. So all this nonsense just to do some religious proselyting? Do you honestly think you are the first person to try this on this board? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/227 "2015-02-10T20:05:05Z")
Yeah, well, **Chimera** gets the owl dick first, because this… > [@](#): > > What if we just don’t give a hoot? will _not_ be forgiven… ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/228 "2015-02-10T20:40:17Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > All of you have been told. Once you die, there’s no turning back. The Big Owl gonna fuck you all every day and forever. And you gonna remember this day, when the truth came to you and you didn’t listen. It’s a bit more complicated than that. As we say in the Church of the SubGenius: “The difference between Hell and Heaven is which end of the pitchfork you’re on.” From [_Revelation X: The “Bob” Apocryphon,_](http://www.amazon.com/Revelation-Apocryphon-Hidden-Teachings-Deuterocanonical/dp/1560259558/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-2010750-0004000?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1192999703&sr=8-1) Chapter 8: “Heaven and Hell”: > [@](#): > > Everything written regarding Hell in all bibles, from the Zoroastrian up through Dante to Chick Comics, is literally true (except the name of the author). The traditional Hell exists, complete with Lake of Fire, demons, and eternal torment; they aren’t lying about that. What they don’t tell you is that _only religious people go there._ > > It’s a rare SubGenius that ends up in this Normal Hell, the lowest rung of the Ladder of Beforelives. THE HELL CLAUSE states that _Hell is reserved for those who believe in it, and the lowest Circle is for those who think that if they don’t believe in it, they’ll go there._ Hell is JHVH-1’s revenge on those who insult His intelligence by thinking He is as simple-minded, cruel and vengeful as THEY are. The Devil’s job is to pester them, to milk out every last drop of human faith and credence. Satan manages Hell, and it’s a very busy place these days, but his responsibilities regarding earthly life cover only religious nuts. JHVH-1 assigned him to create some kind of secondary Hell on earth, so Satan devised the idea of multiple religions, all believing in his existence but hating each other even more than they hate him. (In the end it doesn’t really matter whether those Normals are “good” or “bad” in life; Satan and JHVH-1 divvy up the souls 50-50, _at random.)_ > > \ > > Pink Heaven (frequently misidentified as Christian Heaven or Islamic Paradise) is nothing but a more sophisticated Hell, with air conditioning. In many ways, it is far worse. At least in Hell, you know where you stand. The sheep in Heaven can’t even guess how utterly doomed they truly are. > > “Heaven” is only the second rung up the Beforelife ladder, and, like Hell, is reserved for believers. It consists of an _absence_ not only of pain, _but also of pleasure._ > > Great deal, huh? You’re damned if you do, and damned if you don’t. Disobedient souls burn in Hell forever, but _obedient_ souls “belong to God.” As if making you an employee all your LIFE wasn’t bad enough, you’re enslaved in the AFTERLIFE as well! You get all the joy of a fundamentalist’s lifestyle, with no hope of release – not even death! > > \ > > In “Heaven” there dwell certain hungry, rapacious predator spirits, called **Theocrats,** which vampirize the PPQF of weaker spirits in order to “live” forever at the expense of their victims. > > > [@](#): > > > > "The Theocrats enslave other spirits to provide psychic energy, just as slaves or employees on Earth provide physical labor . . . They obtain these victims by posing as gods and persuading the religious believers to come to them voluntarily after death thinking they are entering “eternal bliss in Heaven.” > > > > "Many notorious tyrants, conquerors, evil religious leaders, black magicians and criminals have become Theocrats after death, but so have some saints and benign geniuses. Power corrupts and the prospect of achieving immortality corrupts even more. Many people with highly developed souls, whose earthly lives were lived quite ethically, chose to become Theocrats after death . . . This has been especially true for people who were religiously devout, then found out the horrible truth about the gods after death. > > > > "The daily activities of a Fundamentalist Theocratic band organized as Heaven are similar to a church service as such sects hold them on Earth, except that they go on perpetually. The Theocrat in charge poses as the Lord God Jehovah, and subordinate Theocrats pose as Christ, various Angels and Apostles, and so forth. “God” quotes the same Biblical passages and preaches the same sermons as preachers in the same sect do on Earth, and the congregation joins in singing the same hymns. . . . The Theocratic leaders then channel this collective psychic energy . . . For instance, there are dead Christians who think they are in Heaven, sitting around the throne of Jehovah “eternally singing his praises,” when they’re really just his slaves and possibly his dinner as well. Now you understand the real significance of “Holy Communion.” > > > > ". . . As fanatical belief in organized religion declines in the modern era, the Theocrats have even devised ways to persuade atheists and agnostics to join Theocratic bands after death. The most common is simply to invite them to join what appears to be a community of spirits that includes some of their previously-deceased relatives or friends, or some famous person they greatly admire . . . There are also “Heavens” whose “gods” claim to be politicians, movie stars, writers, scientists, rock stars, _or even fictional characters."_ > > – excerpted from Kyle Griffith’s _War in Heaven._ > > The most insidiously cruel aspect of Pink Heaven/Normal Hell is that _it’s all self-inflicted punishment._ Nothing happens to those souls that they didn’t ask for, that wasn’t self-devised down to the smallest detail. And nastiest of all, just as their store of anguish is about to be _used up,_ they are TOLD they _could_ escape _if only they would stop believing – BUT THAT ONLY MAKES IT WORSE._ For, there they are, right in the thick of it, with flames searing their skin, or etheric vampires slowly devouring their very essence . . . so _it’s just a bit difficult_ NOT to believe in it. But there is hope! Now you can **save** your soul from Heaven! Just send it with $35 for shipping & handling costs to: [The Church of the SubGenius](http://www.subgenius.com/) c/o Reverend Ivan Stang P.O. Box 181417 Cleveland Heights, OH 44118-1417 Eternal salvation guaranteed – **OR TRIPLE YOUR MONEY BACK!** 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/229 "2015-02-10T20:57:40Z")
I had forgotten how true the Sub Genius doctrine is. I must resume the practice of excremeditation. ---
**Author:** ![spyderkill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@spyderkill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spyderkill)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/230 "2015-02-10T21:34:21Z")
> [@Kimballkid](#): > > So all this nonsense just to do some religious proselyting? Do you honestly think you are the first person to try this on this board? So you wasnt virgin? So sad ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/231 "2015-02-10T21:37:53Z")
Once you go owl, you lay eggs? ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/232 "2015-02-10T21:40:16Z")
That’s the Great Horn(y)ed Owl. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/233 "2015-02-10T22:28:12Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > . And you gonna remember this day, when the truth came to you and you didn’t listen. Actually the “truth” came to me through 7+ years of Sunday school and much of my adult life studying Christianity, and I listened to it very hard, but since God, Allah, or evolution has gifted me with a analytical brain I came to the inescapable conclusion that it was total BS. So in the end if it is is my destiny to engage in eternal carnal knowledge of a gigantic nocturnal bird of prey, than it will be mostly god’s fault for 1) creating a universe appears incompatible with the bible being true 2) giving me a logical mind that clearly recognizes this and yet 3) eternally punishing me for reaching the obvious conclusion. Not the sort of god I want to go around worshiping. I think I’d rather go ahead and worship the giant Owl. After all maybe those who don’t worship the owl spend eternity, getting violated by [this guy](http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/files/2010/11/jesus-3.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/234 "2015-02-10T23:03:18Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Revelation 12: > 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. > > 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. > > . . . > > 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, > > 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. > > 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. > > = = = > > Spyderkill’s version is a bit garbled, but one can discern where Milton’s tale did have an origin in scripture. > > ETA: Miller is completely correct regarding that lack of connection between owls nd Moloch. It I had been under the impression that Revelation purported to be a vision of events yet to occur, and the Paradise Lost scenario was supposed to have taken place in the distant past; that is, before even the Fall from Eden. It seems that Milton’s narrative is still extra-Biblical. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/235 "2015-02-11T00:04:37Z")
Cassandra Complex, thats a new type of troll. ---
**Author:** ![spyderkill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@spyderkill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spyderkill)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/236 "2015-02-11T00:24:43Z")
Here, this is a prof that our society is all in the satanism. This is the thelema: > **[Thelema](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thelema)** > > Thelema (/θəˈliːmə/) is a Western esoteric and occult social or spiritual philosophy and new religious movement founded in the early 1900s by Aleister Crowley (1875–1947), an English writer, mystic, occultist, and ceremonial magician. The word thelema is the English transliteration of the Koine Greek noun θέλημα (pronounced \[θelima\]), "will", from the verb θέλω (thélō): "to will, wish, want or purpose." > Crowley wrote that, in 1904, he had received a text or scripture called The Book of the Law... ‘‘Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.’’ Crowley said this and after that, all world is saying. Here, this video explain better. I’m not gonna write a big text just to tell(and in a worse way) what this video say. So please, watch this. Off course, i'm not saying this is not the better for anybody. But we must assume what we are doing. Even LaVey said in a interview that most of the people follow the satanism, even without know. Satanism came from the big singers and celebrities to the masses, those who read Crowley book. Here, the sons of LaVey talk about satanism a little. A part that i found strange: Nikola LaVey: ''Satanism is not for the millions. It Isnt for the masses. It is to the rullers and the leaders of the earth'' In the end, he talks about the rituals. If this phylosophy is so much about yourself and not please any god, why do they have to make a real ritual to satan? [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1VjaP4PYS4) ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/237 "2015-02-11T00:49:31Z")
This is…adorable, really. Like watching a kid read his first Ayn Rand, or his first shot at the Principia Discordia, and believing it’s all true. You’re the best, **spyder**. Don’t ever lose that childlike [del]gullibility[/del] sense of wonder. (And besides, I think the Holy Book makes it very clear that Moloch doesn’t get along with owls. Well, not with Nite Owl, at least.) ---
**Author:** ![spyderkill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@spyderkill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spyderkill)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/238 "2015-02-11T00:55:59Z")
> [@andros](#): > > This is…adorable, really. > > Like watching a kid read his first Ayn Rand, or his first shot at the Principia Discordia, and believing it’s all true. > > You’re the best, **spyder**. Don’t ever lose that childlike [del]gullibility[/del] sense of wonder. > (And besides, I think the Holy Book makes it very clear that Moloch doesn’t get along with owls. Well, not with Nite Owl, at least.) Thanks. I have 13 years old, my country doesn’t talk english and i don’t like to put myself above other people, like you, a so much superior man do. So if you are the right way, i’m proud of being in the wrong side. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/239 "2015-02-11T01:01:19Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > In the end, he talks about the rituals. If this phylosophy is so much about yourself and not please any god, why do they have to make a real ritual to satan? Anton LaVey once described his Satanism as “Ayn Rand with trappings.” ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/240 "2015-02-11T01:02:54Z")
Well, the tumblers just clicked, anyway. I welcome you to the SDMB, **spyderkill** , and may I say I hope we do for you as we did for another 13-year-old when he first came to this board. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211.md?page=13)