# The cult of Bohemian Grove **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 9, 2015, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211 "2015-02-09T13:31:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/241 "2015-02-11T01:13:21Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Well, the tumblers just clicked, anyway. I welcome you to the SDMB, **spyderkill** , and may I say I hope we do for you as we did for another 13-year-old when he first came to this board. Shhhhh!!! A trap should never **look** like a trap! ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/242 "2015-02-11T01:44:10Z")
> [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > And stay the fuck out of my grove while you’re at it, I’ve nations to conquer. YOUR grove? You some kinda Bohunk or something? (I’m 1/8 Bohemian so I can use the ethnic slur.) 😉 > [@spyderkill](#): > > Catholic church has more in common with this old cults than you can imagine You better believe it, and it can mess you up bad. 😉 > [@jayjay](#): > > Well, the tumblers just clicked, anyway. I welcome you to the SDMB, **spyderkill** , and may I say I hope we do for you as we did for another 13-year-old when he first came to this board. Yes, I agree. We haven’t treated you any worse than any other trouble-making newbie, and the one jayjay refers to is someone I still often disagree with, but who has learned to learn from what he hears and to change if he realizes he was wrong. I believe his time here debating and learning from the people here has made him a more-complete young adult and prepared him for college and the rest of his life. Stick around and have some fun. By the way, when I was 13 I would have adored Alex Jones. I have always loved a good conspiracy theory. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/243 "2015-02-11T01:47:42Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > Thanks. I have 13 years old, my country doesn’t talk english and i don’t like to put myself above other people, like you, a so much superior man do. So if you are the right way, i’m proud of being in the wrong side. You’re mad that someone with 14 more years of education and nearly three decades greater life experience is “putting himself over you?” Yeah, definitely a teenager. Have fun, kiddo. ---
**Author:** ![spyderkill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@spyderkill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spyderkill)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/244 "2015-02-11T02:14:45Z")
> [@andros](#): > > You’re mad that someone with 14 more years of education and nearly three decades greater life experience is “putting himself over you?” > > Yeah, definitely a teenager. Have fun, kiddo. You surely don’t worship the owl. You surely worship yourself, don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![spyderkill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@spyderkill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spyderkill)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/245 "2015-02-11T02:33:41Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Anton LaVey once described his Satanism as “Ayn Rand with trappings.” "Ayn Rand with trappings’'? Can you say it with more easy words? i dont know whats ‘‘Ayn Rand’’ and so the google translator ---
**Author:** ![spyderkill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@spyderkill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spyderkill)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/246 "2015-02-11T02:41:38Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > "Ayn Rand with trappings’'? Can you say it with more easy words? i dont know whats ‘‘Ayn Rand’’ and so the google translator Ohh fuck, it’s a woman. My mistake. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/247 "2015-02-11T03:27:58Z")
Well, sorta. Define “woman.” ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/248 "2015-02-11T03:32:49Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Well, sorta. Define “woman.” Well, in this case it was a synthflesh android with a broken empathy circuit. Well, other broken stuff, too. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/249 "2015-02-11T03:47:18Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > It I had been under the impression that Revelation purported to be a vision of events yet to occur, and the Paradise Lost scenario was supposed to have taken place in the distant past; that is, before even the Fall from Eden. It seems that Milton’s narrative is still extra-Biblical. There are a number of images in Revelation that are read either/both as future events or interpretations of past events. (The woman and the man-child in the same passages, for example are occasionally treated as Mary and Jesus, despite the difficulty in matching the images to those persons.) At any rate, I was not suggesting that Milton was strictly biblical, only that several of his themes are taken from images that do appear in scripture. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/250 "2015-02-11T03:58:52Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Like, what’s wrong with an email? That was incredibly funny, right? Not a diss because I didn’t italicize. Because you don’t in that case, do you? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/251 "2015-02-11T04:13:52Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > Ohh fuck, it’s a woman. My mistake. A woman that the rich and powerful are much more likely to worship than an owl. Actually, if you’re 13, you should read her. It might get you off this wrong track and onto another one. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/252 "2015-02-11T04:25:58Z")
He’s about the usual age… ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/253 "2015-02-11T04:49:42Z")
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs. - John Rogers ---
**Author:** ![Steken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Steken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steken)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/254 "2015-02-11T05:30:48Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > Here, this is a prof that our society is all in the satanism. > > This is the thelema: > [Thelema - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thelema) It has already been explained to you that Thelema and Satanism are two different things. > [@Steken](#): > > Half a century later, in the 1960’s, the Americans came up with their own kind of “Satanism,” completely different from the Danish variety, stripped of all theistic tendencies and, well, basically just “Ayn Rand with trappings,” as its founder put it. That’s from a couple of pages ago. Ayn Rand did not believe in any god. Also, note “stripped of all theistic tendencies.” That means that LaVeyan Satanism _does not worship any god_. > [@spyderkill](#): > > If this phylosophy is so much about yourself and not please any god, why do they have to make a real ritual to satan? They don’t. The rituals are for the participants, not for Satan (or any other god). ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/255 "2015-02-11T12:34:10Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > He’s about the usual age… I was doing the flying saucer / ancient aliens thing then. Switched over to crypotzoology when the “Flipper Pictures” were taken in Loch Ness. ---
**Author:** ![spyderkill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@spyderkill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spyderkill)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/256 "2015-02-11T12:49:38Z")
I can feel a loooot of knowledge in this place. The lidders of the world shold have a account here. ---
**Author:** ![Steken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Steken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steken)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/257 "2015-02-11T13:08:52Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > The lidders of the world shold have a account here. We do. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/258 "2015-02-11T13:40:38Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > I can feel a loooot of knowledge in this place. The lidders of the world shold have a account here. I am not familiar with that term. Does it mean “Pretentious Old Farts?” If so, what is its etymology? ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/259 "2015-02-11T14:17:41Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > YOUR grove? You some kinda Bohunk or something? All your groves are belong to me. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/260 "2015-02-11T15:22:53Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > I am not familiar with that term. Does it mean “Pretentious Old Farts?” > > If so, what is its etymology? Y’see, old farts used to buy “the reefer” in increments called “lids,” and were therefore known as “lidders.” As time progressed, and “the weeds” was decriminalized, they became known as the “lidders of the free world.” Those who still use those terms are either too baked to function or, indeed, pretentious. Come on, **Dr. F** , this is first year stuff. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211.md?page=14)