# The cult of Bohemian Grove **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 9, 2015, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211 "2015-02-09T13:31:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2015, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/321 "2015-02-12T15:54:46Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > Revelations > > 13:16 And he gives to all, small and great, the poor and those who have wealth, the free and those who are not free, a mark on their right hand or on their brows; > 13:17 So that no man might be able to do trade but he who has the mark, even the name of the beast or the number of his name. > > Does it looks like this? Eventually a chip gonna be our identification code and or credit card. > > [Radio-frequency identification - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio-frequency_identification) Let’s not get too fancy! A simple bar-code tattoo would suffice! ---
**Author:** ![spyderkill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@spyderkill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spyderkill)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2015, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/322 "2015-02-12T15:58:54Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > We’re through the looking glass here, people… You should be doing something very important with all of your years of knowledge and wisdom, don’t waste all your time trying to look badass in a forum, please. The humanity will suffer because of your wasted time. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2015, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/323 "2015-02-12T16:05:22Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > Since this topic don’t make any sense to all of you and i’m talking nonsense things, can somebody here explain rationally why so much people still talking about their spiritual experiences?? Because people **have** spiritual experiences. But, that does not imply the actual existence of spirits. See [neurotheology](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurotheology). ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2015, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/324 "2015-02-12T16:28:20Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > As do your mom, i suppose. No, my mom doesn’t care what you do with your time. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2015, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/325 "2015-02-12T16:43:17Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > Man, what’s the point to be a member of a forum and don’t believe in anything that other people write? [Lots of that around here lately.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=747083) 94% of your posts are in this one very odd thread. Couple that with all the other recent odd threads and your claims of being a 13-year-old Brazilian, no wonder people are crying “Troll!” ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2015, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/326 "2015-02-12T16:43:17Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > You should be doing something very important with all of your years of knowledge and wisdom, don’t waste all your time trying to look badass in a forum, please. The humanity will suffer because of your wasted time. I hope you realize that you are not the intended audience for most of the comments here. I suspect most posters have given up hope on you but still enjoy making snarky comments and collecting points from the Peanut Gallery. If you want to discuss something, put out something to discuss! Right now you’re just pouting and trying (poorly) to insult people but still haven’t presented anything worth discussing. You appear to believe in demons for religious reasons and think that somehow they control the world. Good for you, but that’s not a topic most folks here care to discuss. If you want to have a real discussion open up a new thread in the Great Debates or IMHO forums and present a meaningful topic that people can address. Lay out the point you believe is true in clear, concise language, and present your evidence or hypothesis. It helps if you take the time to read, comprehend, and respond to what others write. If it is shown that a point you made was incorrect, acknowledge that and move on. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2015, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/327 "2015-02-12T16:50:27Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > Revelations > > 13:16 And he gives to all, small and great, the poor and those who have wealth, the free and those who are not free, a mark on their right hand or on their brows; > 13:17 So that no man might be able to do trade but he who has the mark, even the name of the beast or the number of his name. > > Does it looks like this? Eventually a chip gonna be our identification code and or credit card. > > [Radio-frequency identification - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio-frequency_identification) We’ve seen this before from numerous American crackpots. Predictions based on Revelations go back centuries. Take a look at all these [false apocalyptic predictions](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events). After a while it becomes boring. Just remember that the author of Revelations, John of Patmos, was exiled to a penal colony from Rome and wrote this while he was serving time. He was really pissed at the Roman emperor for exiling him, and he was really pissed at churches that didn’t support his doctrines. So, this was his way of lashing out at them, but he had to be circumspect about who he was criticizing, or suffer the consequences. That’s why he describes monsters and horns and diadems and stuff instead of using specific names. But somehow God-fearing Christians think these ramblings are predictions for the End Times. John wasn’t talking about the future. He was talking about the present. His present. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2015, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/328 "2015-02-12T19:20:03Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > Revelations I hate to be that guy, but it’s “Revelation”. No “S”. Single revelation given to a nutter. There weren’t multiple revelations there. Just the one. And it’s fairly allegorical at that. > [@spyderkill](#): > > Does it looks like this? Eventually a chip gonna be our identification code and or credit card. Wow, the 80s called. It wants its idea back. This is one of those crank conspiracy theories I haven’t personally seen in years. Congratulations and thanks for taking me back to the not quite so halcyon days of my youth. Next, you’re going to combine this with your 432Hz thread and tell us why a A4 at 440Hz is a numerological precursor to the end of days at precisely 1:1pm EST June 5, 2016, complete with calculations. ---
**Author:** ![spyderkill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@spyderkill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spyderkill)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2015, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/329 "2015-02-12T19:52:53Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > We’ve seen this before from numerous American crackpots. Predictions based on Revelations go back centuries. Take a look at all these [false apocalyptic predictions](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events). After a while it becomes boring. > > Just remember that the author of Revelations, John of Patmos, was exiled to a penal colony from Rome and wrote this while he was serving time. He was really pissed at the Roman emperor for exiling him, and he was really pissed at churches that didn’t support his doctrines. So, this was his way of lashing out at them, but he had to be circumspect about who he was criticizing, or suffer the consequences. That’s why he describes monsters and horns and diadems and stuff instead of using specific names. But somehow God-fearing Christians think these ramblings are predictions for the End Times. John wasn’t talking about the future. He was talking about the present. His present. ‘‘Traditionally, the writer of Revelation was widely considered to be John the Apostle, who was also seen as author of the Gospel of John. However, others identified the author as John the Elder and many modern scholars believe it was written by an otherwise unknown author, to whom they have given the name John of Patmos.[3][4]’’ theres no prof of that john of patmos. ---
**Author:** ![spyderkill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@spyderkill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spyderkill)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2015, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/330 "2015-02-12T19:54:19Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > I hate to be that guy, but it’s “Revelation”. No “S”. Single revelation given to a nutter. There weren’t multiple revelations there. Just the one. And it’s fairly allegorical at that. > > Wow, the 80s called. It wants its idea back. This is one of those crank conspiracy theories I haven’t personally seen in years. Congratulations and thanks for taking me back to the not quite so halcyon days of my youth. > > Next, you’re going to combine this with your 432Hz thread and tell us why a A4 at 440Hz is a numerological precursor to the end of days at precisely 1:1pm EST June 5, 2016, complete with calculations. man, you have talent. you did that in the 80s too, didnt you?? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2015, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/331 "2015-02-12T19:58:29Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > you did that in the 80s too, didnt you?? Did what? There’s English, there’s bad English, and then there’s whatever the hell is going on in your head. ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2015, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/332 "2015-02-12T20:04:22Z")
Since you are so fond of Youtube videos: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/Uh7l8dx-h8M/maxresdefault.jpg "South Park - Mr Mackey - Drugs are bad MKAY") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh7l8dx-h8M) ---
**Author:** ![spyderkill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@spyderkill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spyderkill)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2015, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/333 "2015-02-12T20:06:38Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Because people **have** spiritual experiences. But, that does not imply the actual existence of spirits. See [neurotheology](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurotheology). thanks. but the studies weren’t sucessful and conclusive, accourding with wikipedia. ---
**Author:** ![spyderkill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@spyderkill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spyderkill)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2015, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/334 "2015-02-12T20:08:11Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Did what? > > There’s English, there’s bad English, and then there’s whatever the hell is going on in your head. made crazy and nonsense texts. i see that you can do it. ---
**Author:** ![spyderkill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@spyderkill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spyderkill)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2015, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/335 "2015-02-12T20:09:46Z")
> [@Kimballkid](#): > > Since you are so fond of Youtube videos: > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh7l8dx-h8M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh7l8dx-h8M) this video was made by the owl. LSD can put you in contact with the spiritual world, but they don’t want that the masses to know that. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2015, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/336 "2015-02-12T20:10:54Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > made crazy and nonsense texts. i see that you can do it. Was that supposed to be a snappy retort? 'Cause I don’t speak ‘crazy street corner tinfoil hat guy’. ---
**Author:** ![spyderkill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@spyderkill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spyderkill)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2015, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/337 "2015-02-12T20:29:22Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Was that supposed to be a snappy retort? > > 'Cause I don’t speak ‘crazy street corner tinfoil hat guy’. Good for you. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2015, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/338 "2015-02-12T20:33:47Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > John wasn’t talking about the future. He was talking about the present. His present. Do you have a cite for this? ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2015, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/339 "2015-02-12T20:34:04Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > Don’t you have something that is useless but anyway you still doing? Just because you want to do? If by “something that is useless” you mean “religious studies”, then you’ve made some progress. 😃 I’ll never understand why so many people think a creative idea came from an evil possession. Most things we create are good things, even the non-artistic things like vaccines and pain killers. Why does it have to start with an evil presence and not good ol’ fashioned creativity? ---
**Author:** ![spyderkill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@spyderkill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spyderkill)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2015, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/340 "2015-02-12T20:42:01Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > I’ll never understand why so many people think a creative idea came from an evil possession. Most things we create are good things, even the non-artistic things like vaccines and pain killers. Why does it have to start with an evil presence and not good ol’ fashioned creativity? Maybe because the people think that if some spirit gave knowledge or creativity to somebody is because he wants something in change. Something big. Maybe because some people are jealous of somebody that made something good, and then these people create this type of rumor. It’s a way to justify that you can’t do these things not because you’re not capable, but because you don’t want to make a deal with evil spirits. And because some creativity artists say that they made a deal with evil spirits, i don’t know why, but some say. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211.md?page=18)