# The cult of Bohemian Grove **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 9, 2015, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211 "2015-02-09T13:31:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![spyderkill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@spyderkill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spyderkill)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/21 "2015-02-09T15:32:52Z")
> [@Steken](#): > > So… What’s the problem again? If everyone think like that, there would be no motive for this forum. Every doubt that someone had could be killed by this frase: ‘‘what’s the problem?’’, ‘‘it’s how the things are’’, ‘‘forget that, lets watch superbowl’’ ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/22 "2015-02-09T15:41:10Z")
More accurately, “what’s the debate again?” You posted links to a website of a known conspiracy theorists, who has been described with such terms as nutcase, wacko and lunatic, and that his website should not be trusted. You trust his website and believe what he is saying. Why is that? Do you have any other sites which supports his research & conclusions? Also, I find it charming when new- or first-time-posters tell us how the forums are supposed to work. That always ends well. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/23 "2015-02-09T15:41:14Z")
Well, you could show up outside their next gathering with a torch, a pitchfork and a video camera if you’re so worked up about it. ---
**Author:** ![Steken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Steken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steken)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/24 "2015-02-09T15:45:37Z")
Be specific: What _is_ the problem? Even if those people _did_ worship a statue of an owl - so what? Why would you have a problem with that? ---
**Author:** ![spyderkill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@spyderkill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spyderkill)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/25 "2015-02-09T15:59:11Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > More accurately, “what’s the debate again?” You posted links to a website of a known conspiracy theorists, who has been described with such terms as nutcase, wacko and lunatic, and that his website should not be trusted. You trust his website and believe what he is saying. Why is that? Do you have any other sites which supports his research & conclusions? > > Also, I find it charming when new- or first-time-posters tell us how the forums are supposed to work. That always ends well. Off couse, you want that the men that control the media to allow their journals to talk about something that they dont wanna people talking about. Richard Nixon about bohemian grove [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/dPb-PN9F2Pc/hqdefault.jpg "Nixon Tape Discusses Homosexuals at Bohemian Grove") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPb-PN9F2Pc) [http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/post/bohemian-grove-where-the-rich-and-powerful-go-to-misbehave/2011/06/15/AGPV1sVH\_blog.html](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/post/bohemian-grove-where-the-rich-and-powerful-go-to-misbehave/2011/06/15/AGPV1sVH_blog.html) > **[Hackivists next target, the top secret society where 'rulers of the world'...](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2014797/Bohemian-Grove-Hackivists-target.html)** > > The Bohemian Grove began its two-week gathering in Monte Rio, California, yesterday, with protesters lining the street outside the exclusive 2,700-acre estate. ---
**Author:** ![spyderkill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@spyderkill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spyderkill)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/26 "2015-02-09T16:02:59Z")
> [@Steken](#): > > Be specific: What _is_ the problem? > > Even if those people _did_ worship a statue of an owl - so what? Why would you have a problem with that? Sorry, i have a problem with superpoweful men doing things that they don’t want nobody to know. This goes against my concept of democracy. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/27 "2015-02-09T16:14:16Z")
Believe it or not, outside of certain strict boundaries, even rich people get to have privacy. There’s nothing REALLY going on at Bohemian Grove because there are no gods or supernatural creatures, regardless of whether some silly humans decide to worship them. Bohemian Grove is a kind of fraternal association, and fraternal associations get up to some of the silliest of the silly things just out of building bonds of community and brotherhood within the organization. That’s all that’s going on here. The first thought a sane person should have about anything Alex Jones so much as points to silently should be “what a crock of owl pellets!” ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/28 "2015-02-09T16:15:31Z")
Besides which…Bohemian Grove? The 70s called. They want their silly season line items back. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/29 "2015-02-09T16:18:13Z")
And with a 12 m owl, that’s a big crock. ---
**Author:** ![spyderkill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@spyderkill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spyderkill)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/30 "2015-02-09T16:19:19Z")
ok, to make my point. George Bush and John Kerry are members of Skull and Bones, a secret society that is similar to Bohemian Club. They was on opposite sides in the presidential election, but they was from the same group. If it doesn’t matter who really won? (It’s a journalist real video, please, watch) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/gwJDs1cg9Eo/hqdefault.jpg "Bush / Kerry Skull and Bones Avoidance") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwJDs1cg9Eo) ---
**Author:** ![Steken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Steken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steken)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/31 "2015-02-09T16:20:54Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > Sorry, i have a problem with superpoweful men doing things that they don’t want nobody to know. This goes against my concept of democracy. Where do you draw the line, though? If this is indeed _religion_ - and you seem to believe that it is - isn’t that a private matter? Do you not believe that freedom of religion should extend even to the rich and the powerful? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/32 "2015-02-09T16:33:10Z")
[quote=“spyderkill, post:30, topic:712211”] ok, to make my point. George Bush and John Kerry are members of Skull and Bones, a secret society that is similar to Bohemian Club. They was on opposite sides in the presidential election, but they was from the same group. If it doesn’t matter who really won? (It’s a journalist real video, please, watch) [/QUOTE] Again, nothingburger. Skull & Bones is a stupid college boys’ club. It’s not Bilderbergers Junior League. (Not that Bilderbergers are what gullible people who are addicted to complicated but false conspiracy theories think they are, either.) ---
**Author:** ![Steken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Steken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steken)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/33 "2015-02-09T16:33:41Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > ok, to make my point. George Bush and John Kerry are members of Skull and Bones, a secret society that is similar to Bohemian Club. They was on opposite sides in the presidential election, but they was from the same group. If it doesn’t matter who really won? Yeah, and Clinton and Huckabee both play the saxophone. So what? ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/34 "2015-02-09T16:36:29Z")
[quote=“spyderkill, post:30, topic:712211”] ok, to make my point. George Bush and John Kerry are members of Skull and Bones, a secret society that is similar to Bohemian Club. They was on opposite sides in the presidential election, but they was from the same group. If it doesn’t matter who really won? (It’s a journalist real video, please, watch) [/QUOTE] Well, you convinced me. Because I always vote, act, and believe exactly the same as every other one of my fraternity brothers. ---
**Author:** ![spyderkill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@spyderkill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spyderkill)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/35 "2015-02-09T16:39:46Z")
Here’s a site of Professor G. William Domhoff, from sociology dep., University of California, expressing his concerns about this topic. [http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/bohemian\_grove.html](http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/bohemian_grove.html) Another journalist report about the meeting > **[Guccifer emails link Tony Blair to top-secret Bohemian Grove gathering](https://www.rt.com/usa/bohemian-blair-powell-guccifer-811/)** > > Attending the elusive Bohemian Grove retreat should be a priority for former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair, News Corp executive Andrew Knight allegedly writes in an email to US Gen. Colin Powell obtained by RT. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/36 "2015-02-09T16:41:05Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > Sorry, i have a problem with superpoweful men doing things that they don’t want nobody to know. This goes against my concept of democracy. Good thing we’re not a democracy, then; we’re a republic: we elect wise philosopher-kings to make all the tough decisions for us. Meeting behind closed doors under mysterious circumstances is just part of the program, and always has been. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/37 "2015-02-09T16:41:17Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > … the most powerful men in the world(just because of that position, they are supposely more smart than most of us) … Why would you think that? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/38 "2015-02-09T16:45:42Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > so, what they are? [Less than you think.](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove) > [@](#): > > The Cremation of Care is thought to more symbolize the participants burning away their worries for the next few weeks. Most of the people there have vast responsibilities, and they get to party it up for three weeks without anyone watching. The owl symbolizes knowledge, from the goddess Athena most likely. Even the very word “bohemian” adds to this. > > Philip Weiss, writer for the satirical (yet occasionally investigative) Spy magazine, managed to infiltrate the Bohemian Grove in 1989.[4] He mainly came to the impression that the festivity was similar to a camping trip among men, but with very important people in attendance who are allowed the rare liberty of not having to act statesman-like or wield their burdensome political/economical powers for a short while, instead engaging in encouraged idleness or in acts of rowdiness like publicly urinating near a tree, beer in hand, despite a sign warning: _“Gentlemen please! No pee pee here!”_ and while listening to a piano valeted by a artist-hireling situated somewhere to lighten up the grove with the distant sound of some sweet serenades. Many attendants likened the Bohemian Grove experience to “having great sex.” ---
**Author:** ![spyderkill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@spyderkill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spyderkill)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/39 "2015-02-09T16:46:28Z")
> [@j666](#): > > Why would you think that? You should look on the concept of meritocracy, the thing that capitalism use to explain how the money/power are distributed(of course, a lie). ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/40 "2015-02-09T16:48:11Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > Here’s a site of Professor G. William Domhoff, from sociology dep., University of California, expressing his concerns about this topic. > > [http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/bohemian\_grove.html](http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/bohemian_grove.html) > > Another journalist report about the meeting > [http://rt.com/usa/bohemian-blair-powell-guccifer-811/](http://rt.com/usa/bohemian-blair-powell-guccifer-811/) I don’t expect you to have read anything by Prof Domhoff, but did you even read your own cite? “However, **it is not a place of power**. It’s a place where the powerful relax, enjoy each other’s company, and get to know some of the artists, entertainers, and professors who are included to give the occasion a thin veneer of cultural and intellectual pretension. Despite the suspicions of many on the Right, and a few on the Left, **it is not a secret meeting place to plot, plan, or conspire.** The most important decisions typically happen just where we might expect: in the boardrooms of corporations and foundations, at the White House, and in the backrooms of Congress. Yes, as I show later, some wanna-be and has-been Republican politicians sometimes visit the Bohemian Grove, including future and former presidents of the United States, but they are there to demonstrate what wonderful human beings they are, to cultivate potential financial backers, or to brag about their past exploits.” Bolding added. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211.md?page=3)