# The cult of Bohemian Grove **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 9, 2015, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211 "2015-02-09T13:31:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/81 "2015-02-09T18:01:43Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > Seriously, if you look into a satanic/ocultist/sourcery book you will see the same symbols that are all over the places, the decoration of the citys, the movies, the music clips, and even in some cartoons. I mean, wtf is that? Of course, you can doubt of the existence of this entities, but the penetrance of their knowledges and rituals in our society is something uncontestable. The lessons of the satanist Crowley, do what you wish and bla bla bla, the philosophy of life that this man showed up is what our society is using now. If you do a little research, you will see that some of the most important artists of the century take influences from Crowley to make music. > > You can see here REAL parts of interviews that some our best musicians gave. It’s look a little strange, doesn’t? > [http://www.a-voice.org/discern/rockmed.htm](http://www.a-voice.org/discern/rockmed.htm) I’ve seen exactly zero evidence that demons, whether owl shaped or goat shaped have any more basis in fact than God/gods, old or new, and frankly what people want to worship in the forest is of zero interest to me. Are they breaking any laws? If no then I don’t care any more than whether they worship God, Allah, Vishnu or Donald Duck. Your YouTube videos, while amusing, really don’t prove anything except you have way too much time on your hands. What really attracted my attention is the great big 12 meter owl, to be honest, and I want the thread to focus more on that. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![spyderkill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@spyderkill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spyderkill)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/82 "2015-02-09T18:02:07Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What medications are you currently taking…or are _supposed_ to be taking? Well, i don’t close my eyes to things that i don’t understand. I don’t usually buy opinions from the big media. I am aware of my little knowledge and physical strengh, so i don’t think that my experience resume everything that happens in this world. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/83 "2015-02-09T18:02:25Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > Seriously, if you look into a satanic/ocultist/sourcery book you will see the same symbols that are all over the places, the decoration of the citys, the movies, the music clips, and even in some cartoons. I mean, wtf is that? Of course, you can doubt of the existence of this entities, but the penetrance of their knowledges and rituals in our society is something uncontestable. The lessons of the satanist Crowley, do what you wish and bla bla bla, the philosophy of life that this man showed up is what our society is using now. If you do a little research, you will see that some of the most important artists of the century take influences from Crowley to make music. > > You can see here REAL parts of interviews that some our best musicians gave. It’s look a little strange, doesn’t? > [http://www.a-voice.org/discern/rockmed.htm](http://www.a-voice.org/discern/rockmed.htm) Did you know the word “gullible” isn’t in the dictionary? ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/84 "2015-02-09T18:04:07Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > Seriously, if you look into a satanic/ocultist/sourcery book you will see the same symbols that are all over the places, the decoration of the citys, the movies, the music clips, and even in some cartoons. I mean, wtf is that? Of course, you can doubt of the existence of this entities, but the penetrance of their knowledges and rituals in our society is something uncontestable. The lessons of the satanist Crowley, do what you wish and bla bla bla, the philosophy of life that this man showed up is what our society is using now. If you do a little research, you will see that some of the most important artists of the century take influences from Crowley to make music. > > You can see here REAL parts of interviews that some our best musicians gave. It’s look a little strange, doesn’t? > [http://www.a-voice.org/discern/rockmed.htm](http://www.a-voice.org/discern/rockmed.htm) I think that anything that takes away from the dominance of Christianity is a good thing. The fact that its a supposed “demon” in the bible is even better; what better way to prove you’re the good guys than by going against a religion that’s full of lies and bigotry? The fact that the most powerful people in the world seems to worship this idol is a good sign. I’m glad that, at least in secret, the smartest and most influential people are guided by the righteousness of something other than the Christian god, something we can trust, like a terrestrial earth mother figure that’s as old as civilization itself. No more shall we speak of this, lest the religionists get wind of it and decides to stop it. I hope someday we can replace the god on our money and society with this owl, as it represents the truth that humanity should rightly dedicate itself to ---
**Author:** ![spyderkill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@spyderkill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spyderkill)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/85 "2015-02-09T18:04:33Z")
> [@j666](#): > > There is no need to apologize for your English, it is quite good. I’m impressed that you consistently use “they’re”, “their”, and “there” correctly - something many people get wrong in the heat of debate - as well as “it’s”. The problem is those words aren’t underlined as misspelling, the way “ocult”, “simbol”, and “sourcery” are in my browser. thanks, i really aprecciate your comment. using this forum i’m gonna make it better, for sure!! ---
**Author:** ![spyderkill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@spyderkill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spyderkill)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/86 "2015-02-09T18:09:26Z")
> [@XT](#): > > I’ve seen exactly zero evidence that demons, whether owl shaped or goat shaped have any more basis in fact than God/gods, old or new, and frankly what people want to worship in the forest is of zero interest to me. Are they breaking any laws? If no then I don’t care any more than whether they worship God, Allah, Vishnu or Donald Duck. > > Your YouTube videos, while amusing, really don’t prove anything except you have way too much time on your hands. What really attracted my attention is the great big 12 meter owl, to be honest, and I want the thread to focus more on that. 😛 well, i’m sorry to tell you, but if you want this much to talk about a 12 meter owl, you have too much time on your hands too. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/87 "2015-02-09T18:09:52Z")
BG is only the tip of the iceberg! I’ve heard tell that one US president (I think it might have been JFK) was held in thrall by [a cult of old men wearing blood-colored robes, who worship an ancient Roman torture device!](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-G3C0YWHfv8Y/UKgd7pBQ_9I/AAAAAAAAAKM/x2wWSrTi0GY/s1600/Pope+&+Cardinal.jpg) And entire countries are run by [devotees who travel vast distances to worship a magic rock!](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Al-Haram_mosque_-_Flickr_-_Al_Jazeera_English.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![spyderkill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@spyderkill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spyderkill)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/88 "2015-02-09T18:12:35Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Did you know the word “gullible” isn’t in the dictionary? If you press ‘‘Ctrl + F’’ and write ‘‘gullible’’, you will see that you’re the only person in this page that wrote that. ---
**Author:** ![Steken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Steken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steken)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/89 "2015-02-09T18:13:16Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > The lessons of the satanist Crowley Crowley was not a Satanist. He was a Thelemite. In fact, he was the founder of Thelema. Where did you get the idea that he was a Satanist? Also, “occultism” and “Satanism” aren’t synonyms. Many self-identified occultists also self-identified as Christians - _vide_ Joséphin Péladan, Sedir, Papus and for that matter the entire Ordre Martiniste. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/90 "2015-02-09T18:13:37Z")
1. Never take an entertainer’s statements at face value, especially when they are trying to drum up publicity. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/91 "2015-02-09T18:18:49Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > Seriously, if you look into a satanic/ocultist/sourcery book you will see the same symbols that are all over the places, … If we are still talking about the owls, I will remind everyone that people tried using them to scare away pigeons. > [@spyderkill](#): > > thanks, i really aprecciate your comment. using this forum i’m gonna make it better, for sure!! Oh, no, don’t back slide on us! Or maybe your shift key is stuck and that’s why you stopped using uppercase letters? I do appreciate you consistent use of commas after introductory phrases and clauses, too. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/92 "2015-02-09T18:19:20Z")
Do you like to watch gladiator movies? ---
**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/93 "2015-02-09T18:28:57Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > The Bohemian Grovers do not control HAARP, and they certainly did not put all those clues into the Bugs Bunny cartoons. Wake up! Of course not! :smack: HAARP _controls them_. Or is that AARP controls them? I can never keep track. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/94 "2015-02-09T18:29:00Z")
> [@Steken](#): > > Also, “occultism” and “Satanism” aren’t synonyms. 😕 But Jack Chick says they are! ---
**Author:** ![spyderkill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@spyderkill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spyderkill)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/95 "2015-02-09T18:29:33Z")
> [@Steken](#): > > Crowley was not a Satanist. He was a Thelemite. In fact, he was the founder of Thelema. Where did you get the idea that he was a Satanist? > > Also, “occultism” and “Satanism” aren’t synonyms. Many self-identified occultists also self-identified as Christians - _vide_ Joséphin Péladan, Sedir, Papus and for that matter the entire Ordre Martiniste. Do you have some knowledge in this area? I’m not too much inside of this topic to tell the differences, sorry. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/96 "2015-02-09T18:30:27Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > well, i’m sorry to tell you, but if you want this much to talk about a 12 meter owl, you have too much time on your hands too. Howzabout we talk about two 6 meter owls instead? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/97 "2015-02-09T18:30:45Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > Well, i don’t close my eyes to things that i don’t understand. I don’t usually buy opinions from the big media. I am aware of my little knowledge and physical strengh, so i don’t think that my experience resume everything that happens in this world. For those exact same reasons, you should not **wildly speculate** about things you don’t understand; what you should do is try to understand them better. And Alex Jones won’t help you there; Wikipedia might, RationalWiki might, and we Dopers might. ---
**Author:** ![spyderkill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@spyderkill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spyderkill)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/98 "2015-02-09T18:36:41Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > For those exact same reasons, you should not **wildly speculate** about things you don’t understand; what you should do is try to understand them better. And Alex Jones won’t help you there; Wikipedia might, RationalWiki might, and we Dopers might. So, what can you tell about all this?? In this area of knowledge, speculation is a necessary thing. Each religion say one thing, each person say one thing and there are little incontestable facts. If you think this isnt true, show us the light and the knowledge too. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/99 "2015-02-09T18:39:37Z")
We have met the demon, and he is us. No demon designed Auschwitz. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/100 "2015-02-09T18:44:18Z")
> [@XT](#): > > But did you see any 12 meter owls? Those fuckers were flying all over the place. It was scary. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211.md?page=6)