# The cult of Bohemian Grove **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 9, 2015, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211 "2015-02-09T13:31:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/101 "2015-02-09T18:52:10Z")
Maybe they were not meter owls, but just had clockfaces on them instead of dials? 12 of these would have been a good camp craft project. [http://www.crafthubs.com/owl-clock/7323](http://www.crafthubs.com/owl-clock/7323) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/102 "2015-02-09T18:59:29Z")
What is “the cult of the demons”? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/103 "2015-02-09T19:02:27Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > So, what can you tell about all this?? In this area of knowledge, speculation is a necessary thing. Each religion say one thing, each person say one thing and there are little incontestable facts. If you think this isnt true, show us the light and the knowledge too. Of religion we can say this religion teaches this and that religion teaches that, but – except with regard to claims relating to historical events or other matters of verifiable fact – we cannot with any empirical/scientific certainty (as distinct from moral/spiritual certainty) say teaching X is true or false. And for these purposes, we do not need to. We do not need to figure out whether the Demon Owl is a real supernatural being. All we need figure out is what the BG attendees actually believe. Well, we know they are prominent men and most of them were at any rate raised in mainstream Christianity or Judaism; that’s a starting point. We also know if any of them were an open pagan or Satanist or something, that is the sort of thing that would make the news. If they are all secretly part of a cult – not merely involved in BG ceremonies of debatable interpretation, but actual practicing cultists – well, that would be a very difficult secret to keep, wouldn’t it? First, apply [Occam’s Razor](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor) to the above. Then, apply [Hanlon’s Razor](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_Razor). All of the above goes to the assertion that the BGers are cultists. WRT the other assertion, that they meet at BG to plot their evil schemes, see post #59 (another instance of Occam’s Razor applied). ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/104 "2015-02-09T19:14:34Z")
> [@74westy](#): > > The owls are not what they seem. My log says different. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/105 "2015-02-09T19:21:23Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What is “the cult of the demons”? [I think it’s a fandom.](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089013/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1) ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/106 "2015-02-09T19:30:19Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [I think it’s a fandom.](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089013/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1) If so, there are probably neckbeard billionaires who quibble about whether Baphomet’s horns curl clockwise or counterclockwise. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/107 "2015-02-09T20:12:04Z")
Widdershins. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/108 "2015-02-09T20:15:44Z")
Deosil! ---
**Author:** ![spyderkill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@spyderkill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spyderkill)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/109 "2015-02-09T20:19:00Z")
Don’t you think that is something wrong with or media? Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do4fA8tONY4 ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/110 "2015-02-09T20:19:16Z")
Are you sure it is an owl? I mean, have you ever seen a 12 meter owl? And for that matter, is that 12 meters with wings outstretched… [sub] ```auto __________-------____ ____-------__________ \------ ____-------___ -- __---------__ -- ___-------____ ------/ \//////// / / / / / \ _-------_ / \ \ \ \ \ \\\\\\\\/ \////-/-/------/_/_| / ______ \ |_\_\------\-\-\\\\/ --//// / / / //|| (O)\ /(O) ||\\ \ \ \ \\\\-- --- __/ // /| \_ /V\ _/ |\ \\ \__ --- -// / /\_ ------- _/\ \ \\- \_/_/ /\---------/\ \_\_/ ----\ | /---- | -|- | / | \ ---- \___| ``` [/sub] … or closed, and if closed, then is that height or width? [sub] ```auto /`\ ___ /`\ \d `"\:/"` b/ /`.--. ` .--.`\ |/ __\ /__ \| ( ((o) V (o)) ) |\`""`/^\`""`/| \ `--'\ /'--` / /`-._ ` _.-`\ / /.:.:.:.:.:.\ \ ; |.:.:.:.:.:.:.| ; | |:.:.:.:.:.:.:| | | |.:.:.:.:.:.:.| | | |:.:.:.:.:.:.:| | \/\.:.:.:.:.:.:./\/ _`).-.-:-.-.(`_ ,=^` |= =| |= =| `^=, /jgs \=/\=/ \=/\=/ \ ` ` ` ` ``` [/sub] Did he look anything like [this](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Woodsy-Owl-original.jpg)? What we demand here are facts! Majikthise, “No, that’s exactly what we don’t demand!” Vroomfondel, “Oh, right - We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!” ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/111 "2015-02-09T20:24:33Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > Well, i don’t close my eyes to things that i don’t understand. You must spend a lot of money on Visine. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/112 "2015-02-09T20:25:39Z")
[quote=“spyderkill, post:109, topic:712211”] Don’t you think that is something wrong with or media? Watch this: [/QUOTE] I don’t click through on unlabelled YouTube links. They might bring me to a Justin Bieber video or something. What are they about and what do \*you \*think about them? We have a strong prejudice for written arguments around these parts. ---
**Author:** ![spyderkill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@spyderkill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spyderkill)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/113 "2015-02-09T20:31:46Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > I don’t click through on unlabelled YouTube links. They might bring me to a Justin Bieber video or something. What are they about and what do \*you \*think about them? > > We have a strong prejudice for written arguments around these parts. It’s a video that show Bob dylan and katy perry explaining how they got famous in a interview. Kanye west say it in a show and snoop dog in a video clip. ---
**Author:** ![spyderkill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@spyderkill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spyderkill)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/114 "2015-02-09T20:32:49Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > You must spend a lot of money on Visine. Of course, otherwise i would not be able to read the things that you write in the internet. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/115 "2015-02-09T20:36:59Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > Of course, otherwise i would not be able to read the things that you write in the internet. So that’s what **SNAP** sounds like…when the fingers miss. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/116 "2015-02-09T20:37:00Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > It’s a video that show Bob dylan and katy perry explaining how they got famous in a interview. Kanye west say it in a show and snoop dog in a video clip. Excellent beginning. Now, what do they say? What is the context of these interviews? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/117 "2015-02-09T20:48:09Z")
> [@spyderkill](#): > > It’s a video that show Bob dylan and katy perry explaining how they got famous in a interview. Kanye west say it in a show and snoop dog in a video clip. And does either of them mention the Bohemian Grove? ---
**Author:** ![spyderkill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@spyderkill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spyderkill)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/118 "2015-02-09T20:48:55Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > Excellent beginning. Now, what do they say? What is the context of these interviews? They said that they made a deal with de Devil. For money and fame. The Bob dylan is uncontestable truthful, at least to me. The Katy Perry interview, you can say that she was joking. The Kanye West said it in a show, you can say that he was in a high level of energy and said just because he wanna look like a badass. Snoop Dog said it in a video clip, so he had time to think about he was saying. ---
**Author:** ![spyderkill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@spyderkill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spyderkill)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/119 "2015-02-09T20:52:16Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > And does either of them mention the Bohemian Grove? Bohemian grove has gone. Now the subject is how satanism is getting bigger in our society. That can be related with Bohemian Grove, if you assume that the Owl is a representation of a demon called Molech. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cult-of-bohemian-grove/712211/120 "2015-02-09T20:54:30Z")
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