# The cultural Glitch in the Matrix moment you're most convinced did exist. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 21, 2018, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942 "2018-03-21T03:24:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/21 "2018-03-21T14:44:11Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > I remember reading in 1998 that Diana Rigg had died. Not only is that not true, she’s still here and working even now. > > So either I did read it and they were mistaken; or I misinterpreted it by getting a name mixed up; or it never happened, and it was a dream or something. > > \*_All of the main Avengers cast are still alive, aside from Patrick Macnee and that was only a couple of years ago_ In that vein I SWEAR Ann Jillian died of breast cancer…nope…she survived. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/22 "2018-03-21T15:07:24Z")
I saw Ben Vereen on a TV show the other day. It surprised me to see him, as I thought he had died. I remember talking about [Zoobilee Zoo](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoobilee_Zoo) on Facebook when it happened. Or not. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/23 "2018-03-21T15:14:44Z")
[quote=“Asuka, post:7, topic:810942”] I thought you were joking but holy shit this is an actual movie (scene you mentioned is at about 1:30 but all the obvious stock footage before that with crazy bee effects pasted over is also great) [/QUOTE] What? Okay, that’s even more bizarre. I \*\*really \*\*do remember watching a killer bee movie with friends and telling them the UN scene was coming up, and then it didn’t, so everyone decided I was nuts. Apparently there were at least two killer bees movies, I saw them both, and they were so similar I could not tell them apart, except for the bees taking over the UN scene. And they were both so bad I had no qualms about spoiling the ending. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/24 "2018-03-21T15:21:33Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > There was a movie I remember seeing part of when I was a kid. An advertising executive creates an ad campaign for a product that doesn’t exist, along with commercials and slogans that hype the product without any hint of what it actually is. There was one slogan I particularly remembered. > > Saw it a couple weeks ago on one of the classic movie channels. It was unquestionably the same movie, but the slogan I remembered was nowhere in it. _Lover Come Back_? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/25 "2018-03-21T15:42:39Z")
> [@GESancMan](#): > > There are people who are convinced that they saw a version of Star Wars, back in '77, with the Biggs-and-Luke scenes early in the movie. What they are actually remembering is photos in _The Star Wars Storybook_. I had the novelization and the Biggs and Luke scene is in that, as well. I haven’t looked in the book lately, but I’m sure it’s in there. > [@RealityChuck](#): > > _Lover Come Back_? Yes. Lord knows how I wound up watching that when I was a kid. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/26 "2018-03-21T15:46:24Z")
> [@j666](#): > > Apparently there were at least two killer bees movies, I saw them both, and they were so similar I could not tell them apart, except for the bees taking over the UN scene. And they were both so bad I had no qualms about spoiling the ending. [At least two?](https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=killer+bee+movies&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8)😃 ---
**Author:** ![Arkcon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@Arkcon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arkcon)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/27 "2018-03-21T15:50:12Z")
> [@Smid](#): > > Was the film Searching for Sugarman? > > An unknown 60’s singer, famous in South Africa is reported to have killed himself on stage. Eventually it is found out that he is alive and well and unaware of how famous he is in South Africa. > > This to me says as much about how government misinformation is used to control people. The rumour was likely seeded to control his western freedom loving message. In the spirit of this thread, have I possibly got earthshaking news for you, unless we’re living in multiple layers of Matrix: > **[Famous Documentaries That Were Shockingly Full of Crap](https://www.cracked.com/article_20585_6-famous-documentaries-that-were-shockingly-full-crap.html)** > > It turns out that some of the most acclaimed documentaries ever are about as real as 'Borat.' ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/28 "2018-03-21T16:05:17Z")
There’s one I find actively annoying - the belief that Vulcans can’t lie. The episode that introduces the concept has Spock lying throughout. A Romulan asks him is its true that Vulcans cannot lie and he says “Yes” because, duh, _he is lying to her._ ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/29 "2018-03-21T16:46:53Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Was it “that’s the beauty of it. It doesn’t do anything?” That’s the one I’d say. I am “sure” I’d seen that, and it was Burgess Meredith. All I can say is, that really proves how memories can be wrong. > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > There’s one I find actively annoying - the belief that Vulcans can’t lie. The episode that introduces the concept has Spock lying throughout. A Romulan asks him is its true that Vulcans cannot lie and he says “Yes” because, duh, _he is lying to her._ That’s just ignorance. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/30 "2018-03-21T16:51:25Z")
A couple of times a year I seem to hear of someone dying or doing something when I absolutely swear that they died years ago. I’ve always referred to them as timeline slips. After all, they seem to have brought me into this, the darkest timeline. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/31 "2018-03-21T16:56:35Z")
> [@GESancMan](#): > > There are people who are convinced that they saw a version of Star Wars, back in '77, with the Biggs-and-Luke scenes early in the movie. What they are actually remembering is photos in _The Star Wars Storybook_. There’s also supposedly a special print for drive-in theaters from '77 that contains a scene of Luke watching the battle through his binoculars at night but no scenes with Biggs. That’s the one I remember seeing and wondering what the hell was going on when the POV switched from the battle to this seemingly random dude with binoculars on some planet. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/32 "2018-03-21T16:59:56Z")
I seem to remember the whole thinking some celebrity is dead when they aren’t thing being called the “Vonnegut effect”. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/33 "2018-03-21T17:03:35Z")
> [@Yorkshire\_Pudding](#): > > I only heard about this phenomenon recently, and it’s complete anathema to me. All the “Free Nelson Mandela” stuff, his release from prison, becoming President of South Africa…but people were surprised when he died because they apparently thought he’d died in prison? It really feels as silly as suggesting that Bob Dylan or Paul McCartney died in the 60s. > > I can only conclude it’s down to different levels of news coverage in different areas of the world. It happened to me when Mandela was **released from prison** (not when he died for reelz)! mc ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/34 "2018-03-21T17:14:13Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > Probably the most famous example is Nelson Mandela. A lot of people remember hearing that he died in prison. The major one not yet mentioned in this thread is the Berenstein Bears. (It’s actually “Berenstain Bears,” but many swear by the spelling with the “e” in the final syllable.) ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/35 "2018-03-21T17:15:51Z")
Upvote for “Big”. We get posters coming back repeatedly on that one. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/36 "2018-03-21T18:12:46Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > There was a movie I remember seeing part of when I was a kid. An advertising executive creates an ad campaign for a product that doesn’t exist, along with commercials and slogans that hype the product without any hint of what it actually is. There was one slogan I particularly remembered. > > Saw it a couple weeks ago on one of the classic movie channels. It was unquestionably the same movie, but the slogan I remembered was nowhere in it. Is it [this one](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lover_Come_Back_(1961_film))? I’ve seen and heard various radio and TV sketches and shows about advertising non-existent products over many years, from Not Necessarily the News’ “No-Cola” (“New No-Cola is caffeine-free! Sugar-free! Can-free! New No-Cola is cola-free and new No-Cola is free!”) to the documentary [Czech Dream](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_Dream). It wouldn’t surprise me if you conflated someone’s sketch with a similar concept with the movie you saw. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/37 "2018-03-21T18:32:17Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > There’s also supposedly a special print for drive-in theaters from '77 that contains a scene of Luke watching the battle through his binoculars at night but no scenes with Biggs. > > That’s the one I remember seeing and wondering what the hell was going on when the POV switched from the battle to this seemingly random dude with binoculars on some planet. [The scene with Biggs really exists](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7NVb0OCD5g), but as far as I know it was never in any theatrical releases. I’m sure some people who believe this aren’t only remembering the books, and instead saw the actual scene on Youtube and transposed the date when they first saw it. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/38 "2018-03-21T18:36:55Z")
I thought Rick Astley’s “Never Gonna Give You Up” came out in the late 90’s. The fact that it came out in 1987, when I was in high school and have fairly clear memories of other late 80’s music, still flabbergasts me to this day. And it seems SO odd to me that the Rickroll thing would become huge with a 20+ year old song. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/39 "2018-03-21T18:41:26Z")
The Mandela effect as applied to Mandela is very easy to explain as confusion with Steve Biko, a South African anti-apartheid activist who was arrested in 1977 and died in prison after a beating. Peter Gabriel recorded a tribute to him in 1980, and it was a minor hit. It wasn’t quite famous enough that everyone knew who Biko was, but it was pervasive enough that people kind of knew there was some anti-apartheid guy who died in prison. Nelson Mandela’s name was more well known, so it’s not surprising that people mixed up the names. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/40 "2018-03-21T18:44:36Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Is it [this one](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lover_Come_Back_(1961_film))? > > I’ve seen and heard various radio and TV sketches and shows about advertising non-existent products over many years, from Not Necessarily the News’ “No-Cola” (“New No-Cola is caffeine-free! Sugar-free! Can-free! New No-Cola is cola-free and new No-Cola is free!”) to the documentary [Czech Dream](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_Dream). It wouldn’t surprise me if you conflated someone’s sketch with a similar concept with the movie you saw. No, that was definitely the right movie. I remembered the name of the product, “Vip”. I would swear that when they were making the commercials that one of the non-specific slogans was “be the life of the party with Vip.” It’s perfect; makes you want Vip, whatever it turns out to be. Just one problem, it wasn’t in the movie. ETA: “Star Wars”? “Big”? Bah, when I misremember a movie I go way off the beaten path. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942.md?page=3)