# The cultural Glitch in the Matrix moment you're most convinced did exist. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 21, 2018, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942 "2018-03-21T03:24:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![diggerwam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/919ad9/32.png) [@diggerwam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/diggerwam)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2018, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/61 "2018-03-22T11:38:07Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > I once argued tooth and nail that the song The Promise was by the band Erasure. I was absolutely positive I was right. Nope. It was a one hit wonder called When in Rome. and this great version by Sturgill. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/-eWJmN8D820/maxresdefault.jpg "Sturgill Simpson - The Promise") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eWJmN8D820) ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2018, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/62 "2018-03-22T16:35:16Z")
> [@Max\_Torque](#): > > There have been a [few](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=282385) [threads](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=279595) on this board alone talking about a scene in **The Empire Strikes Back** where a snowspeeder kamikaze-crashes into an AT-AT. I believed it myself for a long time. Best I can figure is, I and everyone else mentally crossed the snowspeeder/AT-AT scene with the scene from **Return of the Jedi** where an A-wing crashes into the bridge of the super star destroyer. My recollection and wild guess is there is some element of video gaming seeping into movie memory. I recall a Star Wars game for the Atari 2600 where AT-ATs are slowly marching and you have to fly around and shoot at them. The AT-ATs are relentless and eventually the game ends when they reach the base. At some point it becomes tactically beneficial to run your ship into the AT-AT that is getting too close to the base (You had something like 3 lives). Running into the AT-AT loses the ship, but damages the AT-AT significantly. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2018, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/63 "2018-03-22T17:06:53Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > It did in some knockoff strips. To say nothing of [Robot Chicken](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX-zSBU4bCs). My mother swore that when she saw _The Wizard of Oz_ for the first time (1939; she was in high school) there was a scene where the four heroes were walking down the corridor leading to the wizard and had to edge past a large, dark pit in the floor. She thought it odd because a couple minutes later when Lion is spooked by the wizard and dashes back down the same corridor before diving out a window, no pit is in evidence. [IMDb](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0032138/alternateversions?ref_=tt_ql_trv_5) makes no mention of it, not even in the preview version which my mother, living in Santa Barbara, may well have seen. I, on the other hand, have never noticed any such glitches since my memory is perfect. erfect. rfect. fect. ect. ct. t. . ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2018, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/64 "2018-03-22T17:23:56Z")
In the John Candy vehicle “Who’s Harry Crumb,” there’s a scene where he’s describing a photo showing Jeffrey Jones’s manhood. He describes it as a ‘tiny, little fallacy.’ I could have sworn that when I first saw the movie in a theater, he called it a ‘wingus’ or ‘dingus’–but not ‘fallacy’ (or ‘phallusy’, if you wish). ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2018, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/65 "2018-03-22T17:28:02Z")
I have heard more than once about a missing scene from **Young Frankenstein**. It takes place just before Frederick (Gene Wilder) goes on stage. He walks by Igor (Marty Feldman), whose hump has shown a tendency to drift from one side to the other, and perceives that he has no hump at all. The following dialogue ensues: Frecderick: Didn’t you used to have a hump? Igor: _Never_ with a tux! People – including my wife – have sworn that they saw this scene. I never have, and always wanted to. When I picked up a DVD version of the film that had the Deleted Scenes, I was excited – I thought I’d finally see the scene. But it’s not there! it’s not listed on the internet under “deleted scenes” in the IMDB or elsewhere . It’s not in any of the online scripts for the film (such as here: [http://www.horrorlair.com/scripts/young.txt](http://www.horrorlair.com/scripts/young.txt) or these [Young Frankenstein Script | ✏️ Scripts on Screen](https://scripts-onscreen.com/tag/young-frankenstein-script/) ) If I look for it on the internet, all I find are the places where I cited this scene on the Dope Board. So where did it come from? The scene actually makes perfect sense – it has that Wilder/Brooks sense of humor. In fact, if you look closely at the film, after the Monster has his meltdown and strikes Frederick before running off stage. you see Inga (Teri Garr) and Igor rushing over to help Frederick _And Igor Has No Hump!!_ – so it looks as if that scene _was_ in there, and got cut out. But there’s nothing I can find, outside of the memories of a few people, that it ever existed. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2018, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/66 "2018-03-22T19:54:27Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > So where did it come from? The scene actually makes perfect sense – it has that Wilder/Brooks sense of humor. In fact, if you look closely at the film, after the Monster has his meltdown and strikes Frederick before running off stage. you see Inga (Teri Garr) and Igor rushing over to help Frederick _And Igor Has No Hump!!_ – so it looks as if that scene _was_ in there, and got cut out. But there’s nothing I can find, outside of the memories of a few people, that it ever existed. Sometimes you have to go right to the source and ask the people who were there at the time. Mel Brooks and Teri Garr are both still alive. ---
**Author:** ![Ponch8](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponch8/32/9883_2.png) [@Ponch8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponch8)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2018, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/67 "2018-03-22T20:12:31Z")
I could have sworn that Pat Benetar was part of the Bangles until she left at some point in the mid-80s. I thought that her early solo career (early 80s) coincided with her work with the Bangles. ---
**Author:** ![furryman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/furryman/32/99_2.png) [@furryman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furryman)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2018, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/68 "2018-03-22T21:05:25Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > Every scene where the dialogue mentions the Philosopher’s Stone was recorded a second time with them saying Sorcerer’s Stone. And aside from the title, those were the only differences. DVDs too. Not sure if they still maintain that, seems like the kind of thing where they ought to quietly change it back to Philosopher’s Stone everywhere. There was an actual article that lists the fifty or so British words that were replaced in the American edition of the novel. More than likely that’s what I’m remembering. In my head I’m picturing the entire Harry Potter movie with all the actors sounding like Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2018, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/69 "2018-03-22T23:11:24Z")
In the mid-1970’s I picked up a copy of _The Book of Sand_ by Jorge Luis Borges. When I first read it, I read an introduction including a section of some 20 pages describing Borges’ death, funeral and burial, and the influence he had on literature. The problem is, Borges didn’t die until 1986. When I went back to re-read that section a few years later when I found out he was still alive, the introduction was simply gone. Borges would have enjoyed that. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/70 "2018-03-23T02:10:06Z")
> [@Ponch8](#): > > I could have sworn that Pat Benetar was part of the Bangles until she left at some point in the mid-80s. I thought that her early solo career (early 80s) coincided with her work with the Bangles. There is no matrix in which that would make sense, and I like both Benetar and The Bangles. ---
**Author:** ![glowacks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/glowacks/32/5548_2.png) [@glowacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glowacks)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/71 "2018-03-23T02:22:39Z")
For a very long time I thought that Richard Gere was gay, and that it was common knowledge. Apparently I just misinterpreted some rumor about him involving a strange sex fetish (that was totally made up) when I was really young and didn’t know what it meant, and had heard it on a source that I trusted at the time, even though in reality they were salacious rumor-mongers. I was too young to know the difference, but I knew who Richard Gere was, and that “fact” was in my head for probably 20 years. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/72 "2018-03-23T02:42:19Z")
> [@Ponch8](#): > > I could have sworn that Pat Benetar was part of the Bangles until she left at some point in the mid-80s. I thought that her early solo career (early 80s) coincided with her work with the Bangles. You may have been thinking of Belinda Carlisle and the Go-Gos. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/73 "2018-03-23T03:54:17Z")
Weird. Considering the career arcs and types of music, it would make more sense to believe Pat Benatar was in the Runaways (or the Go-Gos as mentioned above) rather than the Bangles, especially since a good chunk of her stuff was in the late 70s. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/74 "2018-03-23T04:49:21Z")
> [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](#): > > In the John Candy vehicle “Who’s Harry Crumb,” there’s a scene where he’s describing a photo showing Jeffrey Jones’s manhood. He describes it as a ‘tiny, little fallacy.’ I could have sworn that when I first saw the movie in a theater, he called it a ‘wingus’ or ‘dingus’–but not ‘fallacy’ (or ‘phallusy’, if you wish). It was “dingus.” That’s one of my favorite movies, not solely because it introduced me to Shawnee Smith. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/75 "2018-03-23T05:23:54Z")
I could have sworn that “Jesus Take the Wheel” was a much older song, definitely older than Carrie Underwood. But apparently she debuted it in 2005. I still would not be surprised if I stumbled on an earlier version of the song. I can only think I’m remembering the underlying concept, and retroactively fitting the song into it. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/76 "2018-03-23T06:49:20Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I can only think I’m remembering the underlying concept, and retroactively fitting the song into it. [Plastic Jesus](https://youtu.be/g6wXNmMyAPk), perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/77 "2018-03-23T08:43:06Z")
I could swear that, as a kid, I saw one of the guest stars on the Hollywood Squares game show arrested during the program. ---
**Author:** ![WotNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e19b73/32.png) [@WotNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WotNot)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/78 "2018-03-23T10:13:48Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > I have heard more than once about a missing scene from **Young Frankenstein**. It takes place just before Frederick (Gene Wilder) goes on stage. He walks by Igor (Marty Feldman), whose hump has shown a tendency to drift from one side to the other, and perceives that he has no hump at all. The following dialogue ensues: > > Frecderick: Didn’t you used to have a hump? > > Igor: _Never_ with a tux! > > … > > So where did it come from? The scene actually makes perfect sense – it has that Wilder/Brooks sense of humor. In fact, if you look closely at the film, after the Monster has his meltdown and strikes Frederick before running off stage. you see Inga (Teri Garr) and Igor rushing over to help Frederick _And Igor Has No Hump!!_ – so it looks as if that scene _was_ in there, and got cut out. But there’s nothing I can find, outside of the memories of a few people, that it ever existed. I remember that scene too, but I also remember reading [the novelisation.](https://www.amazon.com/Young-Frankenstein-Gilbert-Pearlman-Adapter/dp/0345242688) I’m pretty sure that scene’s in there (and was probably in some version of the script). ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/79 "2018-03-23T10:26:18Z")
> [@AHunter3](#): > > For years and years I kept “remembering” that I had seen an alternative version of _The Wizard of Oz_ in which, instead of the wizard towards the end convincing the tin man, lion, and scarecrow that they just need a testimonial watch, a diploma, and a medal, the wizard feeds the lion “a bowl of courage”, stuffs the scarecrow’s head with pins and needles which poke out when he concentrates, and does something else for the tin man. > > Turns out I was remembering the book, not the movie. Also, in _The Wiz_ the Scarecrow gets a box of “All-Brain” which is poured onto his head in the form of glitter, while the Lion gets a bottle of “Emerald City Courage Potion”. ---
**Author:** ![SykoSkotty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c0e974/32.png) [@SykoSkotty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SykoSkotty)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/80 "2018-03-23T13:27:55Z")
> [@Max\_Torque](#): > > There have been a [few](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=282385) [threads](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=279595) on this board alone talking about a scene in **The Empire Strikes Back** where a snowspeeder kamikaze-crashes into an AT-AT. I believed it myself for a long time. Best I can figure is, I and everyone else mentally crossed the snowspeeder/AT-AT scene with the scene from **Return of the Jedi** where an A-wing crashes into the bridge of the super star destroyer. I skimmed the old posts a bit, but your post really got me thinking. I think it’s a scene that was edited out of the original theatrical release. At the start of the battle, there’s 5 AT-ATs. Wedge uses his tow cable to trip one and it gets destroyed, leaving 4 AT-ATs. Then we see Luke asking Rogue 2 for help (same pilot who found Han & Luke after the Wampaa attack) Rogue 2 gets hit from AT-AT fire, but we never see him go down or explode - next we see…there’s only 3 AT-ATs left. So, I’m guessing the missing scene was indeed Rogue 2 doing a kamikaze move to destroy the #4 AT-AT. Link to scene, Rogue 2 starts around 3:00 mark: [watch that crossfire boys](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FQNIoVLSdw) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942.md?page=5)