# The cultural Glitch in the Matrix moment you're most convinced did exist. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 21, 2018, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942 "2018-03-21T03:24:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/81 "2018-03-23T14:26:52Z")
> [@Yorkshire\_Pudding](#): > > I’d have hoped that a movie about Steve Biko would have been remembered as a movie about Steve Biko though! As W Kamau Bell and Kevin Avery pointed out on their podcast episode critiquing this film, it’s only half a movie about Biko. It’s a full movie about a good-hearted white guy played by Kevin Kline. (I think they’re a bit unkind to the film, but they definitely have a point.) [http://www.earwolf.com/episode/10-cry-freedom/](http://www.earwolf.com/episode/10-cry-freedom/) ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/82 "2018-03-23T14:30:45Z")
> [@snoe](#): > > As W Kamau Bell and Kevin Avery pointed out on their podcast episode critiquing this film, it’s only half a movie about Biko. It’s a full movie about a good-hearted white guy played by Kevin Kline. (I think they’re a bit unkind to the film, but they definitely have a point.) > [http://www.earwolf.com/episode/10-cry-freedom/](http://www.earwolf.com/episode/10-cry-freedom/) I had forgotten that this is the episode where Kevin gets a free MacBook Air and Kamau gives him a ton of shit for it. This becomes a running theme in later episodes. If you just want to hear them talk shit on Cry Freedom, skip to 23:30. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/83 "2018-03-23T14:30:47Z")
> [@SykoSkotty](#): > > I skimmed the old posts a bit, but your post really got me thinking. I think it’s a scene that was edited out of the original theatrical release. There was a storyboard for it, but the full scene wasn’t filmed. [See here at 7:49](https://youtu.be/jQEiNJnkQAw?t=467). ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/84 "2018-03-23T14:31:09Z")
> [@glowacks](#): > > For a very long time I thought that Richard Gere was gay, and that it was common knowledge. Apparently I just misinterpreted some rumor about him involving a strange sex fetish (that was totally made up) when I was really young and didn’t know what it meant, and had heard it on a source that I trusted at the time, even though in reality they were salacious rumor-mongers. I was too young to know the difference, but I knew who Richard Gere was, and that “fact” was in my head for probably 20 years. No, that was the rumor. That not only was he gay, but he was a [damn gerbil stuffer.](https://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/478/is-it-true-what-they-say-about-gerbils/) And not only was he gay, but so was Cindy Crawford. They had a dual beard marriage. That they had this whole Rock Hudson/Doris Day thing. Hey, it was the 80s, I didn’t start the rumors, I just believed them. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/85 "2018-03-23T15:16:04Z")
“The American Gerbilo”? ---
**Author:** ![furryman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/furryman/32/99_2.png) [@furryman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furryman)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/86 "2018-03-23T17:48:45Z")
For approximately 30 years I was the only person who remembered the hand gesture for F— U-. More of a misunderstanding than a glitch. I was convinced for a while that there was a Lupin I and a Lupin II movie that I’d never seen. ---
**Author:** ![Yorkshire\_Pudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/59ef9b/32.png) [@Yorkshire\_Pudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yorkshire_Pudding)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/87 "2018-03-23T18:09:52Z")
> [@snoe](#): > > As W Kamau Bell and Kevin Avery pointed out on their podcast episode critiquing this film, it’s only half a movie about Biko. It’s a full movie about a good-hearted white guy played by Kevin Kline. (I think they’re a bit unkind to the film, but they definitely have a point.) > [http://www.earwolf.com/episode/10-cry-freedom/](http://www.earwolf.com/episode/10-cry-freedom/) Well…yeah…that’s as maybe, but at the very least it’s _trying_ to be a movie about Biko. It’s not even half a movie about Mandela though, so if it is a reason that people thought they knew Mandela was dead, I despair even more. ---
**Author:** ![Jennshark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Jennshark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jennshark)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/88 "2018-03-23T19:37:32Z")
I’m a fan of classic movies/Old Hollywood and, swear to god, I _know_ \*that it’s Olivia de Havilland who is dead, not her sister Joan Fontaine (who is dead). In fact, I had to look it up yet again this morning when we were having a discussion about old films. My brain just won’t let go of this. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/89 "2018-03-23T19:40:33Z")
[quote=“Asuka, post:7, topic:810942”] I thought you were joking but holy shit this is an actual movie (scene you mentioned is at about 1:30 but all the obvious stock footage before that with crazy bee effects pasted over is also great) [/QUOTE] Apologies if this was mentioned already since I haven’t looked at the other pages of this thread, but yoooooooo that clip at 1:24 was used in Airplane! during the “watching a movie” scene. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/90 "2018-03-23T21:06:06Z")
As far as I know, this one only applies to me, but you know the singer, Howard Jones? “No One is to Blame?” Anyway, I’m positive that his name used to be Howard Johnson until very recently. I distinctly remember thinking of the hotel, the Mets 3rd baseman, and the singer all being called Howard Johnson even as a kid back in the 80s. Sometime within the last year I saw he was Howard Jones and thought, no this can’t be! ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Straight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dec6dc/32.png) [@Enola\_Straight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Straight)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2018, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/91 "2018-03-24T01:34:07Z")
When The Bangles came out with "Eternal Flame" I was sure it was a cover of some flower child band from the late 60s/early 70s; Melanie or The Cowsills. Original song from the late 80s. ---
**Author:** ![erysichthon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d07c76/32.png) [@erysichthon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erysichthon)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2018, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/92 "2018-03-24T08:26:40Z")
[quote=“Asuka, post:7, topic:810942”] I thought you were joking but holy shit this is an actual movie (scene you mentioned is at about 1:30 but all the obvious stock footage before that with crazy bee effects pasted over is also great) [/QUOTE] _The Bees_ was broadcast on the “CBS Late Movie”—one of the rare times they showed an actual movie instead of old _Rockford Files_ and _McMillen and Wife_ episodes—so there are probably a lot of people from my generation who saw it. The United Nations scene (with John Saxon dramatically announcing the bees’ demands) is the only thing I remember about it … well, I also recall that the bees looked suspiciously like confetti being blown around by a fan. ---
**Author:** ![Astrocreep2K](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ce73a5/32.png) [@Astrocreep2K](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astrocreep2K)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2018, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/93 "2018-03-24T18:27:36Z")
Reminds me of an X files episode I could have sworn I watched a month or so ago. But I guess I’m wrong, didn’t happen. ; ) ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2018, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/94 "2018-03-24T18:43:29Z")
I know theres a teaser trailer the alienist movie that never happened … ---
**Author:** ![GoodOmens](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d26b3c/32.png) [@GoodOmens](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GoodOmens)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2018, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/95 "2018-03-24T19:40:53Z")
I’m assuming like many people, I have a clear memory of hearing them called “Ewoks”. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2018, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/96 "2018-03-24T22:08:46Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > As far as I know, this one only applies to me, but you know the singer, Howard Jones? “No One is to Blame?” Anyway, I’m positive that his name used to be Howard Johnson until very recently. I distinctly remember thinking of the hotel, the Mets 3rd baseman, and the singer all being called Howard Johnson even as a kid back in the 80s. Sometime within the last year I saw he was Howard Jones and thought, no this can’t be! Well, sometimes he _was_ nicknamed “HoJo” which, _even in context_, I will always parse as “Howard Johnson”, so there is that. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2018, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/97 "2018-03-24T23:03:06Z")
> [@GoodOmens](#): > > I’m assuming like many people, I have a clear memory of hearing them called “Ewoks”. They are called by that name in the spin-off Ewok movies. Cindel Towani somehow determines this, even though later they learn language from her rather than the more logical other way round. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/98 "2018-03-25T00:41:48Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > [The scene with Biggs really exists](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7NVb0OCD5g), but as far as I know it was never in any theatrical releases. I’m sure some people who believe this aren’t only remembering the books, and instead saw the actual scene on Youtube and transposed the date when they first saw it. That scene was never in Star Wars as released, but he was always in the movie, during the Death Star assault. Probably adds to the confusion a little. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/99 "2018-03-25T04:00:46Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > There was a movie I remember seeing part of when I was a kid. An advertising executive creates an ad campaign for a product that doesn’t exist, along with commercials and slogans that hype the product without any hint of what it actually is. There was one slogan I particularly remembered. > > Saw it a couple weeks ago on one of the classic movie channels. It was unquestionably the same movie, but the slogan I remembered was nowhere in it. What was the slogan you remember? You might be conflating a different movie. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942/100 "2018-03-25T04:11:44Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > What was the slogan you remember? You might be conflating a different movie. See post #40 for more details. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cultural-glitch-in-the-matrix-moment-youre-most-convinced-did-exist/810942.md?page=6)