# The Daily Feud: An Aviation Feud by Elendil's Heir \[Game Over\]

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**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [February 25, 2009, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-daily-feud-an-aviation-feud-by-elendils-heir-game-over/487429 "2009-02-25T21:38:27Z")\
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**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-daily-feud-an-aviation-feud-by-elendils-heir-game-over/487429/81 "2009-02-27T13:40:59Z")

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Are any corrections needed before I post the winners?

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**Author:** ![WormTheRed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/bbe5ce/32.png) [@WormTheRed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WormTheRed)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-daily-feud-an-aviation-feud-by-elendils-heir-game-over/487429/82 "2009-02-27T13:56:59Z")

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> [@Rebo](#):
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> Are any corrections needed before I post the winners?

1. B-17 Flying Fortress 10
2. B-29 Superfortress 2
3. B-34 1
4. B-52 1
5. Corsair F4U 3
6. Enola Gay 2
7. Flying Fortress 1
8. Japanese Zero 3
9. Messerschmitt 1
10. P-51 Mustang 17
11. Supermarine Spitfire 9

The underlined ones seem to be the same.

Otherwise, I got nuttin.

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**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-daily-feud-an-aviation-feud-by-elendils-heir-game-over/487429/83 "2009-02-27T14:09:09Z")

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> [@Rebo](#):
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> Are any corrections needed before I post the winners?

For question 4, you may want to count the Enola Gay and the B-29 as the same answer, since the former is just a specific example of the latter.

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-daily-feud-an-aviation-feud-by-elendils-heir-game-over/487429/84 "2009-02-27T14:24:35Z")

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On 2, Kitty Hawk probably refers to the Wright Brothers Flyer.

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-daily-feud-an-aviation-feud-by-elendils-heir-game-over/487429/85 "2009-02-27T14:33:27Z")

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> [@](#):
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> 1. Fokker 5
> 2. Fokker E 1
> 3. Fokker Triplane 1

FYI, Fokker produced a number of different airplanes during WWI. There were four different models in the E-series. There was also a model called the Dr1, which was the triplane. So a Fokker E is not technically a single plane. A Fokker Triplane and a Fokker E are definitely different planes. And a Fokker E and a Fokker Triplane are both Fokkers but not all Fokkers were E’s or Triplanes. I won’t even try to explain where Ben Stiller fits in all this.

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**Author:** ![swampbear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/swampbear/32/467_2.png) [@swampbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/swampbear)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-daily-feud-an-aviation-feud-by-elendils-heir-game-over/487429/86 "2009-02-27T14:39:00Z")

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> [@Rebo](#):
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> And I love you more than my one and only designer bag… 🙂
> 
> I appreciate you **Swampy** , just not that way. 😃

> [@gonzomax](#):
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> There’s another way?

Well, there’s appreciation and then there’s _ **appreciation** _. 😉

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**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-daily-feud-an-aviation-feud-by-elendils-heir-game-over/487429/87 "2009-02-27T16:49:11Z")

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I know it doesn’t really matter, but Charles Lindbergh is NOT an appropriate answer to Question 1.

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**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-daily-feud-an-aviation-feud-by-elendils-heir-game-over/487429/88 "2009-02-27T16:52:04Z")

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> [@garygnu](#):
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> I know it doesn’t really matter, but Charles Lindbergh is NOT an appropriate answer to Question 1.

Why not? Because he’s not “early”? The first solo flight across the Atlantic should count as pioneering, shouldn’t it?

Not being argumentative, just curious.

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**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-daily-feud-an-aviation-feud-by-elendils-heir-game-over/487429/89 "2009-02-27T16:54:28Z")

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Sure it is, especially given the following question. It may not be an _accurate_ answer, but it is an _appropriate_ one. The object of the game is to match everybody else, not be correct.

I can say this because I had the same attitude towards a couple of previous Feuds. 😃

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**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-daily-feud-an-aviation-feud-by-elendils-heir-game-over/487429/90 "2009-02-27T16:59:53Z")

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1. Other than the Wright Brothers, name an early aviation pioneer.   
**1. Charles Lindbergh 24**

2. Glenn Curtiss 5

3. Alberto Santos-Dumont 4

4. Louis Bleriot 4

5. Amelia Earhart 2

6. Otto Lilienthal 2

7. Samuel Langley 2

8. Billy Mitchell 1

9. Chuck Yeager 1

10. Ferdinand von Zeppelin 1

11. Howard Hughes 1

12. John Stringfellow 1

13. Leonardo daVinci 1

14. Stutz 1

15. Other than the Spirit of St. Louis, name a famous individual aircraft.   
**2. Enola Gay 31**

16. Spruce Goose 9

17. The Bell X-1 4

18. Wright Brothers Flyer 2

19. Aerodrome 1

20. Air Force One 1

21. Glamorous Glennis 1

22. Kitty Hawk 1 \<\<\<— I don’t think this should count as the Wright Brothers Flyer, sorry

23. Name a warplane of World War I.   
**3. Sopwith Camel 40**

24. Fokker 7

25. AlbatrossC III 1

26. De Havilland DH-4 1

27. Spad 1

28. Name a warplane of World War II.   
**4. P-51 Mustang 17**

29. B-17 Flying Fortress 11

30. Supermarine Spitfire 9

31. B-29 Superfortress/Enola Gay 4

32. Corsair F4U 3

33. Japanese Zero 3

34. B-34 1

35. B-52 1

36. Messerschmitt 1

37. Name a contemporary warplane.   
**5. F-16 Falcon 21**

38. B-2 Spirit (Stealth Bomber) 10

39. F-15 Eagle 7

40. F-22 Raptor 5

41. A-10 “Warthog” Thunderbolt II 2

42. F-14 Tomcat 2

43. AV-8B Harrier 1

44. B-52 1

45. Pass 1

46. Name a civilian aircraft of 1903-1953.   
**6. DC-3 36**

47. Boeing 314 (Clipper) 2

48. China Clipper 2

49. Ford Trimotor 2

50. Boeing 707 1

51. Concorde 1

52. DC-6 1

53. DC-9 1

54. de Havilland Beaver 1

55. Hot Air Balloon 1

56. Piper Cub 1

57. zeppelin 1

58. Name a civilian aircraft of 1953-present.   
**7. Boeing 747 41**

59. Cessna 3

60. Boeing 707 2

61. Airbus A380 1

62. Boeing 737 1

63. Concorde 1

64. DC-9 1

65. Name a famous pilot.   
**8. Charles Lindbergh 21**

66. Chuck Yeager 16

67. Chesley ‘Sully’ Sullenberger 5

68. Amelia Earhart 4

69. Eddie Rickenbacker 2

70. Burt Rutan 1

71. Manfred von Richthofen 1

72. Name a notorious airplane crash or disaster.   
**9. 9/11 25** \<\<\<— I included the WTC, Flight 93 and Pentagon here

73. Lockerbie 10

74. The Hindenberg 5

75. The Day the Music Died 3

76. Amelia Earhart’s disappearance 2

77. Tenerife 2

78. Air France Concorde 1

79. TWA 800 1

80. US Airways Flight 1549 1

81. What is the coolest aircraft ever?   
**10. SR-71 Blackbird 12**

82. Spruce Goose 9

83. B-2 Spirit (Stealth Bomber) 6

84. Concorde 4

85. Zeppelin 4

86. A-10 “Warthog” Thunderbolt II 3

87. Beechcraft Starship 1

88. de Havilland Mosquito 1

89. F-16 1

90. glider 1

91. Goodyear blimp 1

92. Harrier 1

93. Helicoptors 1

94. Messerschmitt BF-109F 1

95. P-38 Lightning 1

96. Supermarine Spitfire 1

97. That gigantic floating aircraft carrier that SHIELD flies 1

98. X-15 1

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**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-daily-feud-an-aviation-feud-by-elendils-heir-game-over/487429/91 "2009-02-27T17:02:10Z")

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The famous Bell X-1 that Chuck Yeager used to break the sound barrier was called “Glamorous Glennis”.

ETA: That’s for question #2

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**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-daily-feud-an-aviation-feud-by-elendils-heir-game-over/487429/92 "2009-02-27T17:13:32Z")

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> [@AuntiePam](#):
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> Why not? Because he’s not “early”? The first solo flight across the Atlantic should count as pioneering, shouldn’t it?
> 
> Not being argumentative, just curious.

It depends on how you care to define pioneering, I’d guess. For me, aviation pioneers are those who advanced the science, engineering, or art of aviation. Curtiss, Alberto Santos-Dumont, Otto Lilienthal, and Howard Hughes, all had a huge impact on how aircraft are made, designed and used. Sikorsky, and Graf von Zeppelin practically defined the fields they are associated with. Billy Mitchell was a pioneer and advocate for aviation warfare, and a visionary who more clearly saw what air theatre combat would be than many. Samuel Langley _wanted_ to be an aviation pioneer, and managed to convince substantial portions of the US government that he was one, but I think that the general consensus of the past 30-50 years is that he was a flim-flam man.

Earhardt, Lindbergh, and even Yeager are people whom I have trouble considering pioneers. A large part of that is because I view the engineering as the key part of the endevour: It doesn’t matter if one person can finesse a design (such as the one pilot who managed to work the notorious B-36 flying wing) if no one else can easily duplicate the result. Earhardt was a pioneer for women, and women in aviation, but her contribution to the field of aviation was minimal. Likewise, Lindbergh seems no more a pioneer to me than “Wrong Way” Corrigan. Just look at how many people forget that Lindbergh was something like the 20th person to fly across the Atlantic - because the publicity for his flight became so over-the-top.

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**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-daily-feud-an-aviation-feud-by-elendils-heir-game-over/487429/93 "2009-02-27T17:20:03Z")

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And the winner is ~~~drumroll~~~ **silenus**!!! Way to go! ::flings confetti:: **silenus** got 9/10 top answers. Awesome! Perfect was 536.00.

Thanks for playing everyone! Thanks to you, too, **Elendil’s Heir**! Fun one!

New one up today sometime. (Got yourfix in there, **Terminus**.)  
**1. silenus 526.00**  
2. swampbear 508.00  
3. pravnik 496.00  
4. rexnervous 496.00  
5. WormTheRed 488.00  
6. Sigmagirl 486.00  
7. Robot Arm 480.00  
8. critter42 480.00  
9. WVmom 470.00  
10. MadTheSwine 470.00  
11. Sparky812 468.00  
12. Chronos 462.00  
13. tarragon918 450.00  
14. ShibbOleth 442.00  
15. bibliophage 432.00  
16. Crimmsy 430.00  
17. garygnu 428.00  
18. astorian 422.00  
19. The Superhero 412.00  
20. Little Nemo 398.00  
21. Sublight 390.00  
22. criminey.jicket 388.00  
23. Elendil’s Heir 384.00  
24. NDP 382.00  
25. Sternvogel 372.00  
26. Larry Borgia 366.00  
27. Mahaloth 364.00  
28. jali 362.00  
29. Springtime for Spacers 360.00  
30. Key Lime Guy 348.00  
31. 3acresandatruck 346.00  
32. Pushkin 346.00  
33. Spiny Norman 344.00  
34. MsWhatsit 340.00  
35. OtakuLoki 332.00  
36. Claptree 326.00  
37. Scuba\_Ben 326.00  
38. Charlie Tan 322.00  
39. 42fish 320.00  
40. wevets 320.00  
41. madmonk28 314.00  
42. kenner116 296.00  
43. Terminus Est 296.00  
44. ElvisL1ves 264.00  
45. Dolores Reborn 260.00  
46. Munch 222.00  
47. gonzomax 210.00  
48. notfrommensa 210.00  
49. Fiddle Peghead 204.00  
50. AuntiePam 94.00

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**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-daily-feud-an-aviation-feud-by-elendils-heir-game-over/487429/94 "2009-02-27T17:28:05Z")

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Hah! Vengeance is mine! I have slain the bear, and all is Right, Good and Holy in the Land again.

Until next Feud, of course. 😃

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**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-daily-feud-an-aviation-feud-by-elendils-heir-game-over/487429/95 "2009-02-27T17:38:39Z")

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> [@AuntiePam](#):
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> Why not? Because he’s not “early”? The first solo flight across the Atlantic should count as pioneering, shouldn’t it?
> 
> Not being argumentative, just curious.

I know **silenus** is entirely correct that “wrong” answers still being valid, but **OtakuLoki** said it very well: Lindbergh wasn’t much of a pioneer. A skilled and daring pilot, but that’s it. He didn’t come up with anything new.

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**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-daily-feud-an-aviation-feud-by-elendils-heir-game-over/487429/96 "2009-02-27T17:49:17Z")

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We pacifists had trouble with this one. Yet I got nosed out by a Worm. Worms got noses???

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**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-daily-feud-an-aviation-feud-by-elendils-heir-game-over/487429/97 "2009-02-27T17:59:30Z")

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> [@gonzomax](#):
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> We pacifists had trouble with this one. Yet I got nosed out by a Worm. Worms got noses???

_Nosed out?_

I don’t think this means what you think it means. You got _stomped_ by a Worm.

Wait…that doesn’t work either. 😃

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-daily-feud-an-aviation-feud-by-elendils-heir-game-over/487429/98 "2009-02-27T18:07:40Z")

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Well, that was fun. I thought I’d see more non-American aircraft mentioned, but no worries. Thanks everybody.

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**Author:** ![criminey.jicket](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@criminey.jicket](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/criminey.jicket)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-daily-feud-an-aviation-feud-by-elendils-heir-game-over/487429/99 "2009-02-27T18:24:00Z")

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I think **Worm’s** passed out from lack of oxygen at altitude. 😛

Good feud, **Elendil** and congrats on the win **silenus**!

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**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-daily-feud-an-aviation-feud-by-elendils-heir-game-over/487429/100 "2009-02-27T18:25:51Z")

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Needs me sum pie.

Obviously not a fair feud, Wormy is in the top 5.

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