# The Damage to businesses in Ferguson **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 26, 2014, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-damage-to-businesses-in-ferguson/705672 "2014-11-26T14:54:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Astroboy14](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/df705f/32.png) [@Astroboy14](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astroboy14)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-damage-to-businesses-in-ferguson/705672/21 "2014-11-26T19:24:07Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Money is an issue for low income people. I’ll be damned! Learn something new every day!🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Accidental\_Martyr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@Accidental\_Martyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Accidental_Martyr)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-damage-to-businesses-in-ferguson/705672/22 "2014-11-26T19:30:26Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Money is an issue for low income people. Pay attention class, it’s time for aceplaceonomics. Are we going to be tested on this? ---
**Author:** ![SmellMyWort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SmellMyWort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmellMyWort)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-damage-to-businesses-in-ferguson/705672/23 "2014-11-26T21:43:49Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I wonder how many businesses won’t rebuild or they’ll maybe rebuild many miles away? > > I’d guess the Convenience Store and McDonalds will. They were getting steady income from those two large apartment complexes. > > I was struck reading the GJ testimony when Dorian said each morning he asked his baby momma what she wanted for breakfast. Then walks to McDonalds. I’m like what? what? It’s so much cheaper to fry up a couple eggs and toast. Or a bowl of cereal with milk. Even at my income level McDonalds is a luxury. We try to go when they have the 2 for 1 specials on their Bacon Egg Cheese Biscuits. Two costs $9 when they aren’t on special. I know because I just bought two Monday and wasn’t happy seeing what it did to my $10 bill. It’s unthinkable to eat there every morning but people in those blighted areas do it. > > I know they get taken advantage of. I’ve had to buy eggs and bread at my local Convenience Store. Heavy rain and I didn’t want to get soaked twice. They charge nearly double what Krogers or Safeway charges. The little store near me even has a few bananas for the people without cars. Why do you keep calling his girlfriend his “baby momma?” Johnson never refers to her like that in his testimony and specifically states that he, his gf, and his daughter live together as a family unit. He also never specifically says he gets them McDonald’s for breakfast every morning, but I can see how that portrayal works better for you. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-damage-to-businesses-in-ferguson/705672/24 "2014-11-26T21:47:16Z")
> [@Accidental\_Martyr](#): > > Pay attention class, it’s time for aceplaceonomics. Are we going to be tested on this? All those years in college paid off. 😃 Just making the point that low income families have to shop at more expensive plays like convenience stores. Many never learned to cook and so they eat expensive and less nutritious fast food meals. It’s a vicious cycle that’s hard to break. Now the places they depended on in Ferguson are gone. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-damage-to-businesses-in-ferguson/705672/25 "2014-11-26T21:48:55Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > Being in the Detroit area it is extra depressing considering how the Riots here were the biggest thing that lead to the city’s downfall. There are still ruins from it today. Obviously the scale was magnitudes bigger, with thousands of building burned, people arrested, and dozens killed. > But yeah, the city burned, the people with means left, and the city may never be completely rebuilt. Certainly does nothing to promote society wide “justice”. I agree that riots are counterproductive and tend not to produce the broad justice that rioters often (claim to) want. I would note, however, that the most sophisticated and well-researched histories of Detroit see the riots not as the cause of the city’s downfall, but rather as a symptom of it. The riots did not emerge without context. They were the culmination of decades of racially discriminatory government housing and lending policies, discriminatory real estate dealings such as blockbusting, and prejudice on the part of white city-dwellers who objected to integrated neighborhoods and did everything possible to keep blacks out of their streets before eventually fleeing to the suburbs. Probably the best work dealing with this stuff for Detroit is Thomas Sugrue’s multi-award-winning book, [The Origins of the Urban Crisis: Race and Inequality in Postwar Detroit](http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8029.html). While counterfactual, “What if…” types of history are necessarily speculative, there’s a very good argument to be made that, due to prejudice and discrimination and white flight and deindustrialization, Detroit might still be a post-industrial wasteland today even if the riots never happened. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-damage-to-businesses-in-ferguson/705672/26 "2014-11-26T21:54:32Z")
> [@SmellMyWort](#): > > Why do you keep calling his girlfriend his “baby momma?” I think it tells us more about **aceplace57** than it does about Johnson. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-damage-to-businesses-in-ferguson/705672/27 "2014-11-26T22:06:33Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I think it tells us more about **aceplace57** than it does about Johnson. I’ve used that term myself in the past to define “the other parent of one’s child to whom one has never been married and may or may not be in a long-term relationship with”, and I wouldn’t personally assign any value judgment to it. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-damage-to-businesses-in-ferguson/705672/28 "2014-11-26T22:07:57Z")
> [@SmellMyWort](#): > > Why do you keep calling his girlfriend his “baby momma?” Johnson never refers to her like that in his testimony and specifically states that he, his gf, and his daughter live together as a family unit. He also never specifically says he gets them McDonald’s for breakfast every morning, but I can see how that portrayal works better for you. ace is like a real life Michael Scott. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-damage-to-businesses-in-ferguson/705672/29 "2014-11-26T22:17:03Z")
Direct quote from page 24. He goes out every morning for breakfast and buys a Cigarillo from a guy in the apartment complex. That morning Brown met up with him and they went to the convenience store for Cigarillos. geez, you folks will bust a guys balls over anything. I had just read this transcript last night. > **[Dorian Johnsons Testimony Before The Grand Jury | PDF](https://www.scribd.com/document/248126858/Dorian-Johnsons-Testimony-Before-the-Grand-Jury)** > > Dorian Johnson's testimony before the grand jury. > [@](#): > > August the 9th, it began like any other day. I start my morning, I wake up, I take a shower, and I ask my girl does she like breakfast, what would she like for breakfast. I head out to go get it. Upon getting breakfast I get me some Cigarillos. I smoke marijuana in my mornings when I start my day off, ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-damage-to-businesses-in-ferguson/705672/30 "2014-11-26T22:28:41Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I’ve used that term myself in the past to define “the other parent of one’s child to whom one has never been married and may or may not be in a long-term relationship with”, and I wouldn’t personally assign any value judgment to it. Exactly. I was using the accepted term for a a guy’s lady and baby. She’s is not his wife. She’s his baby momma. It’s not in any way what so ever derogatory. It’s actually a very well though out term. A guy might have kids with several women. Maybe none of them are currently his GF. They are his baby momma’s. It’s the 21 century and we have new terms for families. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-damage-to-businesses-in-ferguson/705672/31 "2014-11-26T23:10:51Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Exactly. I was using the accepted term for a a guy’s lady and baby. She’s is not his wife. She’s his baby momma. It’s not in any way what so ever derogatory. It’s actually a very well though out term. A guy might have kids with several women. Maybe none of them are currently his GF. They are his baby momma’s. > > It’s the 21 century and we have new terms for families. “Baby Momma” != Mother of your child with whom you living as a family. A baby momma (or daddy) is someone you have no relationship other than having a child in common and who you are not in an exclusive relationship with. A more appropriate term would be “girlfriend,” “SO,” “lover,” “partner,” etc. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2014, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-damage-to-businesses-in-ferguson/705672/32 "2014-11-27T04:31:40Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Exactly. I was using the accepted term for a a guy’s lady and baby. She’s is not his wife. She’s his baby momma. It’s not in any way what so ever derogatory. It’s actually a very well though out term. A guy might have kids with several women. Maybe none of them are currently his GF. They are his baby momma’s. > > It’s the 21 century and we have new terms for families. No. No this is not a phrase for you or “we” to use. In fact, [we covered this before](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=713207) and you said: > [@Kanye West in trouble for defending his baby momma Kim.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kanye-west-in-trouble-for-defending-his-baby-momma-kim/678902/13): > > I didn’t realize that. I just heard the phrase and started using it. I’m glad you pointed out my mistake. I’ll avoid that phrase from now on. So no you didn’t read it in _The Journal Of Things We Say Now_. You heard the phrase and decided you should start using it, and you are once again using it disparagingly (it is generally not used as a term of endearment, but still used nonetheless. By other people). And then told you were using it wrong, and said you would stop. But here you are. Just like you said you were going to start replying after quotes. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2014, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-damage-to-businesses-in-ferguson/705672/33 "2014-11-27T04:42:03Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > Just like you said you were going to start replying after quotes. To be fair, he has been doing that. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2014, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-damage-to-businesses-in-ferguson/705672/34 "2014-11-27T04:43:34Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > To be fair, he has been doing that. He had, my bad. His last post was a newspaper quote and it threw me off. But still _shakes fist_ ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2014, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-damage-to-businesses-in-ferguson/705672/35 "2014-11-27T04:49:53Z")
What’s the deal with blacks vs. Koreans? I heard a Korean business got targeted and took $700K damage, which the owner doesn’t have in savings and now doesn’t know what to do? I also heard people are taking up donations to help black business owners who got fucked. No help for Koreans? Why? Are Koreans the new Jews? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2014, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-damage-to-businesses-in-ferguson/705672/36 "2014-11-27T06:23:17Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Money is an issue for low income people. Seems pretty obvious since they don’t have much. No shit Sherlock. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2014, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-damage-to-businesses-in-ferguson/705672/37 "2014-11-27T06:40:01Z")
I hate to leave “read ‘this’ posts” but this really covers exactly what I was trying to convey, but is done by someone who can actually write and make a meaningful point. 😉 > **[Finley: Ferguson's future is Detroit's past](https://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/columnists/nolan-finley/2014/11/26/finley-compares-ferguson-detroit/19553321/)** > > All that comes from torching a community in the name of justice is ... Detroit ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2014, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-damage-to-businesses-in-ferguson/705672/38 "2014-11-27T06:53:04Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The violent ones are the minority; most protesters are not damaging their own neighborhoods. It sucks that some people are doing damage. Even the nonviolent ones are still protesting in support of one of the people who was preying on these businesses. Brown might not have been razing them to the ground, but he was still robbing the place. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-damage-to-businesses-in-ferguson/705672.md?page=1)