# the death of the Dope **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 15, 2019, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695 "2019-08-15T12:56:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/201 "2019-08-19T14:31:18Z")
So, to summarize, just so we are all on the same page: 1. You can NOT just say whatever you want about Trump where ever you want. Jumping into unrelated threads and raving about him is threadshitting; if you take your insults too far, you WILL be warned. This is what the mods have told us and what we have seen them do. 2. You have more leeway to “body shame” Trump because his own behavior invites this sort of treatment. This is why a thread for slobbering over AOC’s dance moves is inappropriate but insulting Trump isn’t-- it’s all about context, and the politicians’ own behavior. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/202 "2019-08-19T14:41:01Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > So, to summarize, just so we are all on the same page: > > 1. You can NOT just say whatever you want about Trump where ever you want. Jumping into unrelated threads and raving about him is threadshitting; if you take your insults too far, you WILL be warned. This is what the mods have told us and what we have seen them do. > > 2. You have more leeway to “body shame” Trump because his own behavior invites this sort of treatment. This is why a thread for slobbering over AOC’s dance moves is inappropriate but insulting Trump isn’t-- it’s all about context, and the politicians’ own behavior. Nice try but the list is too long with too many words for Octoputz and LAZombie to understand. I recommend something more succinct: 1. Fuck… 2. …Off! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/203 "2019-08-19T14:53:09Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Why can’t you address my complaint about the endless body shaming of Trump and why people don’t get admonished for that? Do you have the mental capacity to justify it? Maybe someone can help you out? Duly noted that you are certifiably incapable to deal with the shitty sources you use. On edit: Same to the **Octopus**. As for your also stupid complain here, what \*\*iiandyiii \*\*and \*\*Babale \*\*said, and I have to add: Anyone that gets to influence or [intimidate](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-doc-says-trump-bodyguard-lawyer-raided-his-office-took-n870351) his doctors to get dubious seals of approval, get what he deserves when he also shames his own followers that then forget the insult or even ask for more of that shame, not less. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/204 "2019-08-19T15:10:58Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > And god, **octopus** , but your endless and lazy whining about the board and the posters is so, so tiresome. You used to put effort and thought into discussions, but nowadays it’s rare that I see any post from you that isn’t an effort-free, mindless whine about the board, with the same predictable so-broad-as-to-be-useless potshots like that last one. Do you really have fun posting the same thing, over and over again, in the Pit? Yes, it looks like it’s endless but that’s the funny thing about being a single poster that points out the hypocrisy of a whole group of other posters. A group that’s made it their decade long obsession to manipulate the mods and this board to create an environment friendly only for a clique. But if you took the aggregate of posts that concerned the nature of the board mine would be a small fraction of the total. That’s just the nature of being in the ideological minority. Look at this very thread, the subject of it is another of an endless series of veiled threats about the future of this board if the OP’s vision of the board isn’t realized. Anyways, iiandyiiii, you know my issue isn’t with this board. It’s with the hypocrisy of a group who on one hand whine and threaten because the board isn’t ‘welcoming’ but then on the other hand are the biggest, organized group that makes the board unwelcoming for others. So please, at least don’t mischaracterize my position.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/205 "2019-08-19T15:13:06Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > So, to summarize, just so we are all on the same page: > > 1. You can NOT just say whatever you want about Trump where ever you want. Jumping into unrelated threads and raving about him is threadshitting; if you take your insults too far, you WILL be warned. This is what the mods have told us and what we have seen them do. > > 2. You have more leeway to “body shame” Trump because his own behavior invites this sort of treatment. This is why a thread for slobbering over AOC’s dance moves is inappropriate but insulting Trump isn’t-- it’s all about context, and the politicians’ own behavior. I’ll concede that Trump has brought it upon himself. But stuff like comparing GWB to a chimp is dehumanizing and yet tolerated. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/206 "2019-08-19T15:16:45Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I’ll concede that Trump has brought it upon himself. But stuff like comparing GWB to a chimp is dehumanizing and yet tolerated. You are right, and if you see someone calling GWB a chimp in an inappropriate place, I’d encourage you to report the post. I routinely report posts by people I agree with when I truly feel like they crossed the line. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/207 "2019-08-19T15:17:02Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I’ll concede that Trump has brought it upon himself. But stuff like comparing GWB to a chimp is dehumanizing and yet tolerated. Nice zombie bitch, troll. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/208 "2019-08-19T15:18:59Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Nice zombie bitch, troll. When you can’t dispute the facts attack the poster. :dubious: And if wanted to zombie bitch I’m sure your own history would provide plenty of fodder. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/209 "2019-08-19T15:22:29Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > When you can’t dispute the facts attack the poster. :dubious: > > And if wanted to zombie bitch I’m sure your own history would provide plenty of fodder. When did anyone here compare GWB to a chimp? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/210 "2019-08-19T15:28:43Z")
Here’s a clue for you, **Octoputz** -He was prez from January 20, 2001 to January 20, 2009, so IF anyone here compared him to a chimp start searching over ten years ago. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/211 "2019-08-19T15:30:38Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I’ll concede that Trump has brought it upon himself. But stuff like comparing GWB to a chimp is dehumanizing and yet tolerated. And you are free to report it, and when insults are not coming from a guy like Bush then I can see the issue, but what is clear that you are trying to defend the current Hypocrite in Chief. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/212 "2019-08-19T15:32:32Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Here’s a clue for you, **Octoputz** -He was prez from January 20, 2001 to January 20, 2009, so IF anyone here compared him to a chimp start searching over ten years ago. Lol. You know people have called him a chimp here. These primitive search tools are what need to be pitted. But that’s besides the point anyways. Just help poor ol’ octoputz understand what’s so difficult about advocating for a truly welcoming board? Why should any demographic be made to feel unwelcome? Is the utility of exploiting victimhood status so great? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/213 "2019-08-19T15:33:39Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > And you are free to report it, and when insults are not coming from a guy like Bush then I can see the issue, but what is clear that you are trying to defend the current Hypocrite in Chief. Look a post or three above. I just conceded that Trump does indeed bring it upon himself. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/214 "2019-08-19T15:41:19Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Lol. You know people have called him a chimp here. These primitive search tools are what need to be pitted. > > But that’s besides the point anyways. Just help poor ol’ octoputz understand what’s so difficult about advocating for a truly welcoming board? Why should any demographic be made to feel unwelcome? Is the utility of exploiting victimhood status so great? 1. This is The BBQ Pit, you dipshit. 2. The “victim” you have chosen to protect is a lying, womanizing cheat and scoundrel. 3. The is The BBQ Pit, troll. 4. If you claim that GWB was compared to a chimp without consequence from the moderators, then you should have the wherewithal to back up what you say. 5. This is The BBQ Pit, you bottom-feeding, mouth-breathing, slack-jawed, piss-poor excuse of a human being. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/215 "2019-08-19T15:43:32Z")
The point is that yes, people were calling Bush a chimp all the time… in 2009. Back then, people also posted endless hypothetical that often involved sex and consent and often made people very uncomfortable. We put a stop to that. The point is, we are saying, “The Dope has always had a misogynistic undertone that was tolerated. This has made women feel unwelcome, and we have decided to change that.” You are saying, “what do you mean, I have to watch what I say? People used to call GWB a chimp all the time!”. They did, and that’s a problem, just like the misogyny was. The rules have changed, and we wouldn’t tolerate that today. So it’s not relevant to the discussion. If you showed that people today were routinely calling GWB a chimp, I’d gladly back you up and argue that this is a problem. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/216 "2019-08-19T15:43:48Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > 1. This is The BBQ Pit, you dipshit. > 2. The “victim” you have chosen to protect is a lying, womanizing cheat and scoundrel. > 3. The is The BBQ Pit, troll. > 4. If you claim that GWB was compared to a chimp without consequence from the moderators, then you should have the wherewithal to back up what you say. > 5. This is The BBQ Pit, you bottom-feeding, mouth-breathing, slack-jawed, piss-poor excuse of a human being. You are straight up retarded. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/217 "2019-08-19T15:47:10Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You are straight up retarded. This from the ditz who can’t figure out how The BBQ Pit works. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/218 "2019-08-19T15:52:24Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > but I think this place has become so angry at the conservative trolls - understandable - that every conservative looks like a nail sticking out begging for a hammer. The problem is that there’s a certain segment around here who has basically inserted their own values for the board’s collective values, in large part, and disagreeing with this takes on a moral value- you’re not coming from a different perspective, you’re coming from a WRONG perspective. You’ll get pilloried, even though what you’re saying is totally a matter of opinion and not science. That, I think is the biggest threat around here- its transformation into one of those echo chambers we all like to decry is nearly complete. IMO, we’d be better off with a large and vital intelligent conservative contingent- both sides would be forced to examine and possibly reevaluate their positions. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/219 "2019-08-19T15:53:43Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Look a post or three above. I just conceded that Trump does indeed bring it upon himself. Then why accuse people of being “disingenuous hypocrites”? Asshat. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/220 "2019-08-19T15:57:28Z")
> [@bump](#): > > … IMO, we’d be better off with a large and vital intelligent conservative contingent- … If any of them ever show up, I’ll try not to be too mean to them in the Pit. Is that what they’re waiting for? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695.md?page=12)