# the death of the Dope **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 15, 2019, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695 "2019-08-15T12:56:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/281 "2019-08-21T02:12:12Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > First - I’m not complaining. You asked for an example and I gave you one. Second - It’s not in support of the echo chamber claim - just that there’s a reason why some conservatives may decide engaging just isn’t worth it. But again, exactly what rhetoric are you citing as your “example”? You haven’t even clearly identified what GD thread you were referring to, much less which specific post(s) you think constitute “a reason why some conservatives may decide engaging just isn’t worth it”. I mean, if you’re going to flounce out of an entire thread just because a few posters make unflattering generalizations about your ideology, that’s your right, but I don’t think you’re being all that oppressed. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/282 "2019-08-21T03:31:10Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > I mean, if you’re going to flounce out of an entire thread just because a few posters make unflattering generalizations about your ideology, that’s your right, but I don’t think you’re being all that oppressed. Honestly, the vast majority of the regular posters on this board would do the same if they didn’t think that they had the vast left wing gang on this board to support them. This board is extremely and openly biased toward the left. I personally don’t think that’s good or bad, it just is. I’m a moderate myself and I love this board and the discussions, and most of you folks. I don’t see the board dying any time soon. It’s my favorite discussion place on the web. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/283 "2019-08-21T03:44:58Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Honestly, the vast majority of the regular posters on this board would do the same if they didn’t think that they had the vast left wing gang on this board to support them. In that hypothetical situation about the hypothetical actions of unidentified people hypothetically basing their behavior on their hypothetical beliefs about other posters, I wouldn’t view them as being all that oppressed, either. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/284 "2019-08-21T04:07:24Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > In that hypothetical situation about the hypothetical actions of unidentified people hypothetically basing their behavior on their hypothetical beliefs about other posters, I wouldn’t view them as being all that oppressed, either. I assume you mean that hypothetically. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/285 "2019-08-21T04:31:30Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > You haven’t yet managed to explain why you think the statement you were apparently complaining about is actually racist at all. I [repeat](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21813188&postcount=186): What do you think the statement “I’d just as soon see white guys all go back to where they came from”, posted by a white guy, even means? > Uh, you were actually the one who subsequently [had your ass handed to you in that exchange](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21755900&postcount=161), beginning with this statement: > And you’re being rather excessively sensitive if you consider that my very rare replies to your posts constitute “going around yapping at [your] ankles”. How many posts have you made on these boards in the last couple of months, and how many of them have I responded to? Those must be some awfully delicate ankles you’ve got there. If you need to have it explained to you why the statement _“I’d just as soon see white guys all go back to where they came from”_ is racist either you are A) dumber than a box of rocks or B) deliberately disingenuous as a way to save face. Either way it shows that there’s nothing of value in engaging you, other than exposing your deficiencies, but I have better things to do than that. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/286 "2019-08-21T06:52:03Z")
> [@Ale](#): > > If you need to have it explained to you why the statement _“I’d just as soon see white guys all go back to where they came from”_ is racist either you are A) dumber than a box of rocks or B) deliberately disingenuous as a way to save face. The alternative to this is what’s known as C) _Reality_. Now, someone shouting at random white folks to “Go back to Europe” is racist. The comment “I would just as soon see white guys go back to where they come from” is not racist; it’s making a point about the racism of telling Blacks and other non-white people to “Go back where you came from” even if the target’s family has been in the United States for centuries, likely longer than the racist’s family has. ---
**Author:** ![LAZombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b38774/32.png) [@LAZombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LAZombie)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/287 "2019-08-21T14:43:34Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Duly noted that you are certifiably incapable to deal with the shitty sources you use. On edit: Same to the **Octopus**. > > As for your also stupid complain here, what \*\*iiandyiii \*\*and \*\*Babale \*\*said, and I have to add: Anyone that gets to influence or [intimidate](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-doc-says-trump-bodyguard-lawyer-raided-his-office-took-n870351) his doctors to get dubious seals of approval, get what he deserves when he also shames his own followers that then forget the insult or even ask for more of that shame, not less. Just because Trump invites body shaming insults does not mean you should have the right to use them on this board. But that’s not up to me to decide. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/288 "2019-08-21T15:08:09Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Just because Trump invites body shaming insults does not mean you should have the right to use them on this board. But that’s not up to me to decide. Can you imagine Trump attempting exercise? Like something extreme, oh, a jog around the block? Or walking on his own two out of shape legs for a few holes on a golf course? The man is a shining model of fitness. When the so-called president apologizes to the people he’s made fun of, out of nothing more than their appearance, I’ll stop calling him a fat orange lazy slob. Shit, he called out one of his own supporters last week to “get some exercise”. Fuck him. Of course, Trump only did that because he was wrong again, thought the guy was not a supporter. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/289 "2019-08-21T15:37:30Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Just because Trump invites body shaming insults does not mean you should have the right to use them on this board. But that’s not up to me to decide. Noted again that you can not acknowledge when your sources pull your leg. And as for your, yet another, dumb reply here: Yes, I have the right to do so, although I do not use it as often with the Agent Orange\* that we have as president. - His choice of color, although I can say that he may have a reason: [I Photoshopped Trump Without His Fake Tan And Now I Can't Sleep At Night](https://www.buzzfeed.com/jenlewis/this-is-what-donald-trump-would-look-like-without-his-fake-t?bftw&utm_term=.ghjawQ4r4#.nevWl7rKr) ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/290 "2019-08-21T15:58:58Z")
Guys? Body shaming? Kinda shitty, maybe stop doing it. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/291 "2019-08-21T16:03:08Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Guys? > > Body shaming? Kinda shitty, maybe stop doing it. It’s called “pointing out hypocrisy”, which is kind of hard to do if you can’t show how he is being hypocritical. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/292 "2019-08-21T16:08:33Z")
> [@Ale](#): > > If you need to have it explained to you why the statement _“I’d just as soon see white guys all go back to where they came from”_ is racist Specifically, when posted by a white guy. What does it even mean for “all white guys” to “go back to where they came from”? The leitmotif of white nationalism is basically that all the white guys already **are** “where they came from” in the sense of where they’re entitled to be, and it’s all the other “invaders”/“intruders” who need to “go back”. So when a white guy says that he’d like “all white guys” to “go back to where they came from”, it reads as… …(prepare to have your mind blown)… …a **joke** making fun of white nationalism. (As **Monty** already intelligently explained.) > [@Ale](#): > > Either way it shows that there’s nothing of value in engaging you, other than exposing your deficiencies, but I have better things to do than that. Well, for someone who claims to have better things to do than responding to me, you sure are doing quite a bit of responding to me. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/293 "2019-08-21T16:17:26Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Guys? > > Body shaming? Kinda shitty, maybe stop doing it. If Trump has a body capable of being shamed, he can take his own freely dispensed advise and get off of his lazy ass and get some exercise. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/294 "2019-08-21T16:34:42Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Honestly, the vast majority of the regular posters on this board would do the same if they didn’t think that they had the vast left wing gang on this board to support them. > > This board is extremely and openly biased toward the left. I personally don’t think that’s good or bad, it just is. I’m a moderate myself and I love this board and the discussions, and most of you folks. > > I don’t see the board dying any time soon. It’s my favorite discussion place on the web. What aboutism isn’t a moderate position anymore. It tacked hard to the right, and they are owning it for all intents and purposes. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/295 "2019-08-21T16:38:51Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > But again, exactly what rhetoric are you citing as your “example”? You haven’t even clearly identified what GD thread you were referring to, much less which specific post(s) you think constitute “a reason why some conservatives may decide engaging just isn’t worth it”. > > I mean, if you’re going to flounce out of an entire thread just because a few posters make unflattering generalizations about your ideology, that’s your right, but I don’t think you’re being all that oppressed. [Here’s the thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=880673), though it was already linked above. It seems clear to me the premise of the thread is predicated on groups of people, right wingers and gun rights folks, being racist. It’s super tedious, and while I enjoy discussing a variety of topics, this level of tedium is, unappealing. I’m certainly not oppressed, never implied that I was. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/296 "2019-08-21T16:40:15Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > If Trump has a body capable of being shamed, he can take his own freely dispensed advise and get off of his lazy ass and get some exercise. When you insult an asshole for being fat, he probably won’t know or care. You know who will notice and probably will care? Other fat people in the thread, who are being told, _whether you meant it or not_, that they deserve to be insulted for being fat. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/297 "2019-08-21T17:10:42Z")
I see your point, you know. But, also, fuck Trump. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/298 "2019-08-21T17:13:06Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > [Here’s the thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=880673), though it was already linked above. It seems clear to me the premise of the thread is predicated on groups of people, right wingers and gun rights folks, being racist. :dubious: AFAICT, there’s **one** poster in that thread that you closed, namely the OP, incontinently raving about “right wingers” hypothetically doing bad shit in an unrealistic hypothetical situation, and **one** other poster making a drive-by one-liner also insulting to right-wingers. Everybody else in the thread, of various political stripes, was rebutting various aspects of the OP’s posts and/or criticizing particular ideological positions rather than undifferentiated “right wingers” in general. And **that** ’s what got you miffed enough to post the following butthurtery in response to my request for cites illustrating **bump** ’s claim that the Dope has become intolerant of “disagreeing with the party line”? > [@Bone](#): > > There is a current thread in GD equating right wing folks with racists. Or those that support gun rights as racists. The board isn’t very open towards conservatives or right leaning views at all. Sorry to say it, but: _Snowflake_. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/299 "2019-08-21T17:27:36Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > And **that** ’s what got you miffed enough to post the following butthurtery in response to my request for cites illustrating **bump** ’s claim that the Dope has become intolerant of “disagreeing with the party line”? No, it was the first example that came to mind. I’ve read the majority of threads on the board for many years. Would you like a treatise detailing every example available? You ask for an example, one is provided. Then it’s criticized as not representative. How far down the rabbit hole would you like to go? Consider you’re actively participating in a thread about the tea party calling them racists. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/300 "2019-08-21T17:34:23Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > [Here’s the thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=880673), though it was already linked above. It seems clear to me the premise of the thread is predicated on groups of people, right wingers and gun rights folks, being racist. It’s super tedious, and while I enjoy discussing a variety of topics, this level of tedium is, unappealing. > > I’m certainly not oppressed, never implied that I was. But that’s a dumb thread that most Dopers, liberal or conservative, appear to recognize was dumb. By my reading, at least. If that demonstrates anything about the Dope, it’s that most liberal and conservative Dopers can come together to crap on dumb threads. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695.md?page=16)