# the death of the Dope **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 15, 2019, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695 "2019-08-15T12:56:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/341 "2019-08-22T12:24:00Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I disagree with the idea that this place is an echo chamber for people on the left. I mean, in the sense that people on the left vastly outweigh those on the right, and they support each other in their disgust for right wing thought, yes. Oh, so it’s okay now to fat shame progressives. Nice. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/342 "2019-08-22T12:52:02Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Merely agreeing is not what makes the hive mind the hive mind. But you disagreeing with other right wingers on some issues proves you’re NOT a hive mind? Convenient. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/343 "2019-08-22T13:41:44Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Sure, point taken, but I would’ve preferred to see a cite where those views were opposed by another right winger here. Yo. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/344 "2019-08-22T13:42:24Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Oh, so it’s okay now to fat shame progressives. Nice. Granola has a lot of carbs you know. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/345 "2019-08-22T14:13:27Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > But you disagreeing with other right wingers on some issues proves you’re NOT a hive mind? Convenient. I’m typing this slow just for you. I disagree with the requirement that a hive mind is defined as 100% agreement 100% of the time. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/346 "2019-08-22T14:19:38Z")
> [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > It’s true. Some people here think Trump’s immigrant detention centers are the equivalent of locking up children in Alcratraz. Others vehemently disagree and insist it’s the equivalent of locking kids up in Abu Grahib. All the more damning when countered against the panoply of viewpoints on the other side. For example, many on the right feel that Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and James Comey should be locked up in prison, while the more moderate among them will say— quietly, at least, and off the record— that there should probably be some sort of trial first. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/347 "2019-08-22T14:40:28Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I’m typing this slow just for you. > > I disagree with the requirement that a hive mind is defined as 100% agreement 100% of the time. 🙂 Then what do you think a hive mind actually IS, and how does it manifest in any particular subset of the membership of this board? And I typed this quickly, within the limitations of using a smartphone, because the flaw in your position is sufficiently obvious that there’s little point in delaying pointing it out. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/348 "2019-08-22T14:45:12Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Then what do you think a hive mind actually IS, and how does it manifest in any particular subset of the membership of this board? > > And I typed this quickly, within the limitations of using a smartphone, because the flaw in your position is sufficiently obvious that there’s little point in delaying pointing it out. You asking me to define hive mind sufficiently precisely that it can’t be picked apart by the expert pedantic folks here? I’m not crazy. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/349 "2019-08-22T14:49:03Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You asking me to define hive mind sufficiently precisely that it can’t be picked apart by the expert pedantic folks here? I’m not crazy. It’s certainly easier to throw out lazy, effort-free insults like “hive mind” than to actually try and explain, in detail, what you think is wrong with the board. Probably not as productive, unless you have no interest in actual discusion or improvement to the board, though. Here, I’ll try – what do I, as a poster, do wrong on this board? How can I be a better poster, in your view? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/350 "2019-08-22T14:50:20Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You asking me to define hive mind sufficiently precisely that it can’t be picked apart by the expert pedantic folks here? I’m not crazy. There is no hive mind by any reasonable definition. There is a group of fairly like-minded and vocal liberals that are politically correct. They are a small but vocal subset of the Dope overall. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/351 "2019-08-22T14:51:13Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It’s certainly easier to throw out lazy, effort-free insults like “hive mind” than to actually try and explain, in detail, what you think is wrong with the board. Probably not as productive, unless you have no interest in actual discusion or improvement to the board, though. > > Here, I’ll try – what do I, as a poster, do wrong on this board? How can I be a better poster, in your view? Stop engaging trolls. 🙂 Peace, Andy. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/352 "2019-08-22T14:51:26Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You asking me to define hive mind sufficiently precisely that it can’t be picked apart by the expert pedantic folks here? I’m not crazy. Here, I’ll help you. A hive mind is defined as a bunch of people who disagree with **octopus**. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/353 "2019-08-22T14:52:32Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Stop engaging trolls. 🙂 > Peace, Andy. Just one more post and I’ll have fixed 'em. I’m almost there, I swear! Just one more post! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/354 "2019-08-22T15:38:10Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You asking me to define hive mind sufficiently precisely that it can’t be picked apart by the expert pedantic folks here? I’m not crazy. When the ice cover over the newly-admitted state of Greenland finally retreats to reveal potential farmland, your copious quantities of chickenshit will prove most useful as fertilizer. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/355 "2019-08-22T16:22:01Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It’s certainly easier to throw out lazy, effort-free insults like “hive mind” than to actually try and explain, in detail, what you think is wrong with the board. Probably not as productive, unless you have no interest in actual discusion or improvement to the board, though. > > Here, I’ll try – what do I, as a poster, do wrong on this board? How can I be a better poster, in your view? Stop demanding impossible to meet standards of precision as evidence of obvious to any but the willfully blind or dishonest board characteristics. With the way some around here demand complete precision in language we couldn’t even state that water is wet without it being challenged. Yet, use language that isn’t approved by the hive mind and one will be told not only exactly what that language means but also exactly the thought process and character of the one using it. So not only do we have a hive mind the hive mind refuses to play by its own rules. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/356 "2019-08-22T16:25:10Z")
So it’s whatever you say it is. Got it. Very convenient… for you. No, I’m going to continue viewing it as exactly what it is, a whine that not everybody agrees with you. Boo freaking hoo ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/357 "2019-08-22T16:32:49Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/358 "2019-08-22T16:37:18Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > So it’s whatever you say it is. Got it. Very convenient… for you. > > No, I’m going to continue viewing it as exactly what it is, a whine that not everybody agrees with you. Boo freaking hoo Look at the hive working to push back! ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/359 "2019-08-22T16:58:41Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Look at the hive working to push back! I think you should continue to express yourself. Your extensive posting history places you in the enviable position where nobody on the board could possibly think any less of you. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/360 "2019-08-22T17:00:08Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Look at the hive working to push back! (checks forum) Shove it up your ass [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695.md?page=19)