# the death of the Dope **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 15, 2019, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695 "2019-08-15T12:56:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/61 "2019-08-15T17:20:37Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I did. And he misrepresented it again. And I corrected him. And he lied again. Then I told him to stop lying. I got warned for calling him a liar (by saying he “misrepresented” my words), he got mod-noted for lying. > > Why not read the thread instead of making shit up? > > [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=856350](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=856350) I’m not making anything up. Where is it prohibited from disputing the accuracy of a post? You just did with my post. Though you did make it personal. You could very easily say that what he is posting is in fact not factual. You do see the difference between a post that responds to something you find personally offensive by critiquing the contents of the post as opposed to an ad-hominem diatribe? ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/62 "2019-08-15T17:21:16Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > **Shodan** , openly and repeatedly lied about a personal experience _I_ had. Blatantly and repeatedly lied, even after my pointing out that he was “misrepresenting” what had happened. > > So I called him a liar. Because he was, in fact, lying. > > As we know, when calling assholes out as liars, the people calling them out gets punished. _It’s literally in the rules._ This is probably a stupid question, but if he was lying and you could prove he was lying, why didn’t you report him? If nothing else, I’d think that would come under the general “don’t be a jerk” heading. (NB: I haven’t seen the thread in question, so I have no opinion on who was misrepresenting what.) ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/63 "2019-08-15T17:22:22Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I try to avoid responding to trolling – and I have indeed entirely (or nigh-entirely) stopped responding to a handful of posters… but I know I can still do better. On the other hand, I’ve been praised specifically by many Dopers I admire for how I respond to some of the possible trolls. It’s not easy, at least for me, to calibrate exactly when a response enables trolling, or when a response is appropriate (i.e. when it’s not really trolling), and I’m sure I screw it up sometimes. As always, I will continue to try and be a better poster, and I apologize for the times in which I fail. I bet you’ve never been praised for your ability to remain standing in a hurricane force _whooosh…_😉 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/64 "2019-08-15T17:25:11Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I bet you’ve never been praised for your ability to remain standing in a hurricane force _whooosh…_😉 That was some whoosh, 'cause I still don’t get it! ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/65 "2019-08-15T17:26:42Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > That was some whoosh, 'cause I still don’t get it! You didn’t know? QuickSilver is fluent in sarcasm, or should we call it whooshish? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/66 "2019-08-15T17:27:27Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > That was some whoosh, 'cause I still don’t get it! You’re not on my list. Unless _I’m_ being whooshed and this is your clever way of fishing for compliments. In which case you’re back on my list. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/67 "2019-08-15T17:31:20Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > You’re not on my list. > > Unless _I’m_ being whooshed and this is your clever way of fishing for compliments. > > In which case you’re back on my list. You’re on my list… of swell Dopers! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/68 "2019-08-15T17:34:59Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I did. And he misrepresented it again. And I corrected him. And he lied again. Then I told him to stop lying. I got warned for calling him a liar (by saying he “misrepresented” my words), he got mod-noted for lying. > > Why not read the thread instead of making shit up? > > [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=856350](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=856350) I’m not sure that misrepresenting is the same as lying, but Shodan certainly was a complete asshole in that thread. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/69 "2019-08-15T17:35:26Z")
If you think ignoring certain trolls will magically fix the problem you are sadly mistaken. This isn’t 1996. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/70 "2019-08-15T17:37:03Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > You’re not on my list. > > Unless _I’m_ being whooshed and this is your clever way of fishing for compliments. > > In which case you’re back on my list. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You’re on my list… of swell Dopers! 🙂 I think I prefer the potty mouthing to whatever that is. Going to have to rename The BBQ Pit to Sugar Pit. ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/71 "2019-08-15T18:07:51Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Since I’m a grown adult, I simply avoid threads I feel are insulting or repulsive in nature. I don’t make an issue out of it because… here it comes again… I’m a grown adult. > > Geeze, talk about first-world problems. :rolleyes: It always reminds me of this: [xkcd: Duty Calls](https://xkcd.com/386/) You can’t right every wrong that happens. Gotta pick your battles and treat people with respect if you want to get anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/72 "2019-08-15T18:16:26Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I think I prefer the potty mouthing to whatever that is. Going to have to rename The BBQ Pit to Sugar Pit. If I ever open a strip club I’m calling it the Sugar Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/73 "2019-08-15T18:42:53Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I can’t reconcile that as a goal when there is a whole forum here dedicated to hostility, perversion, and unhinged rants. In many of the other forums it’s open season to ridicule people based on age, religion, ideology etc. This is not a high minded place. So whining about a Ginger vs Maryann thread or whatever seems hypocritical. > > Some may say don’t participate in the Pit. Well I say if a particular thread isn’t to your liking avoid it. Or, perhaps, if you really want this place to be welcoming then eliminate all the hostility. I don’t see that happening because being selectively hostile is a welcome feature. > > One reason those threads in ATMB are always closed is that the hypocrisy and inconsistency is pointed out. Excuse me? YOU’RE the one constantly bitching and moaning about all the bad language in the Pit, and how hostile everyone is, and calling people “pottymouths”. However, I notice you spend a hell of a lot more time there than you do elsewhere on this board. Make up your goddamned mind. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/74 "2019-08-15T19:08:07Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > No warning nor note. Couldn’t link for some reason. But there it is. OK, I remember that post. Here, it’s by **Jimmy Chitwood**. [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21804772&postcount=298](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21804772&postcount=298) But the thread was closed right after that post, so the moderator probably missed it. Did you report it? By the way, if you right click on the post number in the upper right hand corner of the post, or tap and hold it if you’re on a phone, it’ll give you the link. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/75 "2019-08-15T19:40:37Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > This is the best advice. > Or keep visiting the thread and posting in it, while completely ignoring the thread-shitters. Completely ignore them. Goddamnit!!! WF just started fucking up a thread I am interested in over in elections (the Matt Unhinged Shea thread). Can’t I get any peace around here? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/76 "2019-08-15T20:00:23Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > Goddamnit!!! WF just started fucking up a thread I am interested in over in elections (the Matt Unhinged Shea thread). Can’t I get any peace around here? You got Farnabitten. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/77 "2019-08-15T20:17:10Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > You got Farnabitten. I was just going to say there is no known cure, but then Bone scolded him for hijacking. _gasp_ ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/78 "2019-08-15T20:22:36Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > I have more than one foot out the door here… How many feet you got there, pardner? Seems like you have a problem with moderating, which should be posted in ATMB, and another problem with people who don’t see the world as you do. Maybe this place just isn’t for you. You strike me as rather a hypersensitive tool much of the time, but I don’t count you as malicious and disingenuous as the posters you mentioned in the OP. We’re guys who would never be pals, but probably not enemies IRL, and so I value yours as one of many voices to heed or ignore. As for the ignore function not keeping dickweeds from derailing a thread, it would if everyone could agree on what a dickweed is and ignore them. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/79 "2019-08-15T20:38:52Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I think I prefer the potty mouthing to whatever that is. Going to have to rename The BBQ Pit to Sugar Pit. Good grief, you’re hard to satisfy. Oops, wait, I misspoke. Let me fix that: Holy fucking shit, you’re hard to satisfy. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/80 "2019-08-15T20:41:24Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Excuse me? YOU’RE the one constantly bitching and moaning about all the bad language in the Pit, and how hostile everyone is, and calling people “pottymouths”. > > However, I notice you spend a hell of a lot more time there than you do elsewhere on this board. > > Make up your goddamned mind. That’s ridiculous. It pains me to say that because you are one my favorites. Anyways. I don’t spend most of my time here. Don’t try to Huey me. I post in the Pit on a few topics that only are discussed in the Pit. Furthermore, just because I dislike a subset of what is allowed in the Pit that doesn’t mean that I dislike 100% of the pit and that I am going to be petulant and threaten the mods with the tragedy of my flouncing if I don’t get my way with a kinder and gentler pit. My main issue with the Pit is that contrary to the retarded myth that it’s a so-called safety valve the existence of this sub forum causes unnecessary strife. Shouldn’t we be working for a safe and welcoming board? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695.md?page=5)