# the death of the Dope **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 15, 2019, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695 "2019-08-15T12:56:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/121 "2019-08-16T13:14:51Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Not a big fan of quotas and keep in mind that mods here are typically given a forum not the whole board to monitor. So I’m not sure how useful your suggestion is. Do you have any specific forums in mind or do you want them to change the structure of the mod team also? In my understanding, the mods often work together to make decisions on contentious or board-culture-impacting issues, so it might not matter which forums they were assigned to. But since multiple mods are assigned to most forums, and considering that Moderator is an unpaid volunteer position, then assuming there are volunteers, adding new moderators for each major forum would not put a strain on board resources (unless I’m misunderstanding something). > [@](#): > > Are there any long-term women members volunteering for this assignment? Have they let \*\*TubaDiva \*\*know that already? I know she has a process she follows, not the details of it, but it does exist. I don’t know. I also don’t know if the board is actively trying to recruit women moderators. I hope they are. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/122 "2019-08-16T13:17:59Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > In my understanding, the mods often work together to make decisions on contentious or board-culture-impacting issues, so it might not matter which forums they were assigned to. But since multiple mods are assigned to most forums, and considering that Moderator is an unpaid volunteer position, then assuming there are volunteers, adding new moderators for each major forum would not put a strain on board resources (unless I’m misunderstanding something). OK, so what are the major forums? I agree it shouldn’t strain the board at all but again, are there enough volunteers? Not sure if you realize this, but modding a board like the Dope is a pain in the ass. Might be less volunteers than you think, or at least good volunteers. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/123 "2019-08-16T13:19:41Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > OK, so what are the major forums? IMO, GQ, GD/Elections, CS, IMHO, MPSIMS, and the Pit. > [@](#): > > I agree it shouldn’t strain the board at all but again, are there enough volunteers? Not sure if you realize this, but modding a board like the Dope is a pain in the ass. Might be less volunteers than you think, or at least good volunteers. Possibly – I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/124 "2019-08-16T13:38:44Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > We’re not suppose to talk negatively about banned posters are we? I ask as I think some things about a poster you mentioned are being forgotten. This being the Pit, I believe you can say something nasty about **Dio** ’s :smack:last months. He can complain about it on the Giraffe Board. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/125 "2019-08-16T13:45:07Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > We’re not suppose to talk negatively about banned posters are we? I ask as I think some things about a poster you mentioned are being forgotten. I think you can remind us why Dio was banned. I recall it being one of the lengthiest Suicide by Mods ever. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/126 "2019-08-16T13:46:29Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Excuse me? YOU’RE the one constantly bitching and moaning about all the bad language in the Pit, and how hostile everyone is, and calling people “pottymouths”. > > However, I notice you spend a hell of a lot more time there than you do elsewhere on this board. > > Make up your goddamned mind. Yeah, I don’t get that either. The Pit is, as advertised, the forum in which the language becomes soiled. Nobody said anyone has to like or enjoy the Pit. There are plenty of other forums where the discourse is more adult-like and the tone is moderate. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/127 "2019-08-16T13:50:31Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I’ll gladly trade WF, Octoputz, and UV (world’s worst lawyer) in exchange for getting Bricker back. In Bricker’s defense, he took a personal beating on a regular basis, so I understand why he left. I hardly ever agreed with him, but I think this place has become so angry at the conservative trolls - understandable - that every conservative looks like a nail sticking out begging for a hammer. Bricker was a good poster. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/128 "2019-08-16T13:53:51Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Bricker was a good poster. If you grade on a curve, segregated by political affiliation, sure. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/129 "2019-08-16T14:04:44Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > IMO, GQ, GD/Elections, CS, IMHO, MPSIMS, and the Pit. > > Possibly – I don’t know. Fair enough, but that would be 6 new mods and I doubt they would want to bring on more than 2 at a time. So maybe a 3 month phase in? _(Like I have a real clue)_ > [@dropzone](#): > > I think you can remind us why Dio was banned. I recall it being one of the lengthiest Suicide by Mods ever. I missed the suicide by mod, but Dio forever was an overly persistent debater who parsed the meanings out of posts and wouldn’t let go, overwhelming actual debate in the threads. Other than that, I liked Dio and agreed with a fair amount of his opinions. > [@asahi](#): > > In Bricker’s defense, he took a personal beating on a regular basis, so I understand why he left. I hardly ever agreed with him, but I think this place has become so angry at the conservative trolls - understandable - that every conservative looks like a nail sticking out begging for a hammer. > > Bricker was a good poster. I agree. > [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > If you grade on a curve, segregated by political affiliation, sure. That’s not fair, he was continually asked to defend voting for Trump when he didn’t even vote for Trump. On this board, thanks to a few posters, everyone that voted for Trump is evil. Not a really realistic position, but the one you would get glancing through GD & the Pit. I didn’t agree with Bricker on a lot of things, but I still respected him and his knowledge. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/130 "2019-08-16T14:09:53Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Yeah, I don’t get that either. The Pit is, as advertised, the forum in which the language becomes soiled. Nobody said anyone has to like or enjoy the Pit. There are plenty of other forums where the discourse is more adult-like and the tone is moderate. The issue is the farcical hypocrisy. Don’t whine that the forums are not a safe place because of a Daphne vs Wilma or an AOC dancing reference, should I put that in a spoiler?, and then threaten the mods if you don’t get your way on one hand and then, with the other hand, participate in vile name calling in the pit or gender, age, and race based insults outside of the pit. And it’s even more hypocritical that when these same folks who are so sensitive outside of the pit engage in name calling in the pit whine when it’s returned which got at least one poster banned. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/131 "2019-08-16T14:12:27Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > The issue is the farcical hypocrisy. Don’t whine that the forums are not a safe place because of a Daphne vs Wilma or an AOC dancing reference, should I put that in a spoiler?, and then threaten the mods if you don’t get your way on one hand and then, with the other hand, participate in vile name calling in the pit or gender, age, and race based insults outside of the pit. And it’s even more hypocritical that when these same folks who are so sensitive outside of the pit engage in name calling in the pit whine when it’s returned which got at least one poster banned. For someone who doesn’t like whining, you sure do whine a lot ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/132 "2019-08-16T14:16:27Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > In Bricker’s defense, he took a personal beating on a regular basis, so I understand why he left. I hardly ever agreed with him, but I think this place has become so angry at the conservative trolls - understandable - that every conservative looks like a nail sticking out begging for a hammer. > > Bricker was a good poster. Oh please. Conservative troll on this board is the epitome of redundancy. Hell, even left wing posters will get serious grief if they don’t fall in line not just with what they believe but if the aren’t sufficiently woke in tone and fervor. When that happens the usual gang goes through a routine to attack and delegitimize the poster to provoke a response which “proves” the initial assertions against their target. It’s so transparent. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/133 "2019-08-16T14:19:03Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > For someone who doesn’t like whining, you sure do whine a lot I mentioned AOC dancing, shouldn’t you and your snarkers be flooding the mods with reports? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/134 "2019-08-16T14:21:23Z")
Maybe we’re just good at spotting bait, troll? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/135 "2019-08-16T14:25:17Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > The issue is the farcical hypocrisy. Don’t whine that the forums are not a safe place because of a Daphne vs Wilma or an AOC dancing reference, should I put that in a spoiler?, and then threaten the mods if you don’t get your way on one hand and then, with the other hand, participate in vile name calling in the pit or gender, age, and race based insults outside of the pit. And it’s even more hypocritical that when these same folks who are so sensitive outside of the pit engage in name calling in the pit whine when it’s returned which got at least one poster banned. Still Pit-bitching? If someone climbs into a boxing ring and, after getting knocked out, complains about the violence that person can rightfully be called an idiot. If that person keeps climbing back into the ring over and over and over again with the same results then the only conclusion we can possibly make is that this person _wants_ to get hit, not that every other person this idiot encounters in the ring is part of some “gang”. so: Are you an idiot, a masochist, or both? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/136 "2019-08-16T14:33:30Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Oh please. Conservative troll on this board is the epitome of redundancy. Hell, even left wing posters will get serious grief if they don’t fall in line not just with what they believe but if the aren’t sufficiently woke in tone and fervor. > > When that happens the usual gang goes through a routine to attack and delegitimize the poster to provoke a response which “proves” the initial assertions against their target. It’s so transparent. I don’t quite see that way; it’s more like…facts or shut the fuck up. That can seem harsh sometimes, particularly if you’re on the receiving end of it, but there’s nothing wrong with someone challenging the quality of your information and the epistemic basis of your worldview. It stings sometimes, but fighting ignorance isn’t always clean. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/137 "2019-08-16T14:34:33Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > The issue is the farcical hypocrisy. Don’t whine that the forums are not a safe place because of a Daphne vs Wilma or an AOC dancing reference, should I put that in a spoiler?, and then threaten the mods if you don’t get your way on one hand and then, with the other hand, participate in vile name calling in the pit or gender, age, and race based insults outside of the pit. And it’s even more hypocritical that when these same folks who are so sensitive outside of the pit engage in name calling in the pit whine when it’s returned which got at least one poster banned. I’m not familiar with any of this - any examples? ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/138 "2019-08-16T14:39:00Z")
It’s a Trumpian degree of projection. Ignore it. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/139 "2019-08-16T14:51:49Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I mentioned AOC dancing, shouldn’t you and your snarkers be flooding the mods with reports? Shouldn’t you and your ilk be out [hunting mammoths?](http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com) ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695/140 "2019-08-16T15:03:10Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Still Pit-bitching? > If someone climbs into a boxing ring and, after getting knocked out, complains about the violence that person can rightfully be called an idiot. If that person keeps climbing back into the ring over and over and over again with the same results then the only conclusion we can possibly make is that this person _wants_ to get hit, not that every other person this idiot encounters in the ring is part of some “gang”. > so: Are you an idiot, a masochist, or both? Bad analogy. And you know is a bad analogy. You should feel bad. Bottom line: it’s hypocritical to whine about an unwelcoming board based on the tolerance of the existence of a comment on Laverne or Shirley yet have a whole sub forum where you can accuse other posters of molesting their own children or telling them to engage in sodomy with a cactus. Even you should be able to see the dichotomy. > [@asahi](#): > > I don’t quite see that way; it’s more like…facts or shut the fuck up. > > That can seem harsh sometimes, particularly if you’re on the receiving end of it, but there’s nothing wrong with someone challenging the quality of your information and the epistemic basis of your worldview. It stings sometimes, but fighting ignorance isn’t always clean. Sure, in the political forums challenging the posts is fine and my opinions on some subjects has evolved due to that discussion. The constant ad-hominem not so much. Pining for Bricker? Lol, he was abused here constantly. The revisionist history is more dishonesty. Ultimately, the ones threatening to leave yet again:rolleyes:, want another private playground where social ostracism and belonging to a clique are the tools to enforce an inconsistent set of social norms. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-of-the-dope/838695.md?page=8)