# The death penalty for child rape! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 27, 2003, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-penalty-for-child-rape/197975 "2003-08-27T14:09:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2003, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-penalty-for-child-rape/197975/161 "2003-09-02T04:49:26Z")
I based my opinion on these nifty things called facts. It’s a fact that you posted what you posted. It’s a fact that there are rights protected for someone who’s been convicted. One of those rights is to a trial and that’s what the killer of the former priest is destined for: trial. And it’s a fact that you have lied in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2003, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-penalty-for-child-rape/197975/162 "2003-09-02T04:51:45Z")
BTW, I’m not your friend. My friends are ethical. Also, I don’t see myself getting incarcerated. For one thing, I’m not going to go up to a parolee and threaten to kill him. ---
**Author:** ![SunTzu2U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5a626/32.png) [@SunTzu2U](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunTzu2U)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2003, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-penalty-for-child-rape/197975/163 "2003-09-02T05:02:08Z")
Its a fact that you are a moron and have much to learn in this world. You have nitpicked my comments and have ignored the things you can’t possibly refute. You focus on one issue and yet miss the entire point. Try running up some other bleeding heart issue because I feel you are whipping a dead horse here. It seems you are on a singleminded quest of liable and slander and refuse to admit the valid points that were made. If you want character assasination go find it elsewhere. Otherwise stick to the OP. Quit feeding the squirl it will only bite you in the end. Buh bye… ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2003, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-penalty-for-child-rape/197975/164 "2003-09-02T05:11:17Z")
I suppose I ought to be offended by that. Too bad it was complete nonsense. I’m not assassinationg anyone’s character. You, OTOH, have a stated intent to actually assassinate someone. And yet, I don’t expect any more of an answer from you than what you gave mhendo. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2003, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-penalty-for-child-rape/197975/165 "2003-09-02T13:38:29Z")
SunTsu wrote: > [@](#): > > Its a fact that you are a moron > [@](#): > > You have nitpicked my comments > [@](#): > > If you want character assasination go find it elsewhere. How apt! SunTzu is now referring to itself! ---
**Author:** ![SunTzu2U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5a626/32.png) [@SunTzu2U](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunTzu2U)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2003, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-penalty-for-child-rape/197975/166 "2003-09-02T22:18:10Z")
Here are some things to cogitate on. [http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/article/4197-6209.html](http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/article/4197-6209.html) [http://www.psych.org/news\_stand/diagnosticcriteriapedophilia.pdf](http://www.psych.org/news_stand/diagnosticcriteriapedophilia.pdf) > **[FindLaw Legal Blogs - FindLaw](https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/)** > > Get the latest legal news and information, and learn more about laws that impact your everyday life by visiting FindLaw Legal Blogs. [http://www.medem.com/MedLB/article\_detaillb.cfm?article\_ID=ZZZUZRUZGLC&sub\_cat=355](http://www.medem.com/MedLB/article_detaillb.cfm?article_ID=ZZZUZRUZGLC&sub_cat=355) [http://www.futureofchildren.org/usr\_doc/vol4no2ART10.pdf](http://www.futureofchildren.org/usr_doc/vol4no2ART10.pdf) [http://www.futureofchildren.org/usr\_doc/vol4no2ART11.pdf](http://www.futureofchildren.org/usr_doc/vol4no2ART11.pdf) [http://www.futureofchildren.org/pubs-info2825/pubs-info.htm?doc\_id=74215](http://www.futureofchildren.org/pubs-info2825/pubs-info.htm?doc_id=74215) [http://www.futureofchildren.org/information2826/information\_show.htm?doc\_id=74217](http://www.futureofchildren.org/information2826/information_show.htm?doc_id=74217) ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2003, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-penalty-for-child-rape/197975/167 "2003-09-02T23:33:08Z")
How interesting, SunTzu2u. None of those is the Louisiana statute for harasmment or for murder. ---
**Author:** ![Thaidog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/50afbb/32.png) [@Thaidog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thaidog)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2003, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-penalty-for-child-rape/197975/168 "2003-09-03T04:00:37Z")
Death penalty is my vote… for what it’s worth. ---
**Author:** ![johncole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5f9b8f/32.png) [@johncole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johncole)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-penalty-for-child-rape/197975/169 "2003-09-04T04:09:54Z")
A few points: (1) Some people are in favour of the death penalty, some are against. Why not have a vote, and allow the majority to rule on the question - that is the democratic way. Informal polls here in the UK have shown clear majorities for the death penalty in specific circumstances (child murder, murder of police or prison staff, etc.) but the government has repeatedly ignored calls for a referendum on the question, as European Law would prevent the reintroduction of the death penalty. (2) As counterpoint to the case in the OP, the Lord Advocate (the senior law officer in Scotland) has just called for the review of a case in which a 43-year-old father-of-three was convicted of raping an **18 month old baby girl** , filming himself, and then posting the video on the internet. He was also charged with molesting a 6-year-old girl and of producing and publishing child porn. He was sentenced to five years in prison, which would probably mean that he would be released in two years under our parole system. Public opinion seems to be that this sentence (heavily influenced by a psychological report) is a tad lenient, and I tend to agree. (3) I believe that there are some crimes so heinous, so revolting, so far beyond any standard of civilised behaviour that we cannot deal with them adequately within the normal criminal code. The perpetrators of such offences have demonstrated _of their own free will_ that they are unwilling, or incapable, of living within the standards of our society, and the logical reaction should be to expel them from that society. Unfortunately, we no longer have any distant southern land masses which would accept them. My suggestion is that we set aside and isolate a suitable tract of land, provide building materials and a regular supply of subsistence rations, and allow them to build their own society. (4) As there is no chance of (3) being adopted, my vote would be for life imprisonment with no chance of parole. This would serve the double purpose of preventing the guilty party from reoffending, and of ensuring that he would live a long and thoroughly miserable life. (if necessary, he could serve his sentence in solitary to protect him from the other inmates) ---
**Author:** ![outside\_artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@outside\_artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outside_artist)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2003, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-penalty-for-child-rape/197975/170 "2003-09-10T19:31:13Z")
**wring** , your point is well taken, and I would be glad to cite a case for you, but I have no idea where to look for this info. When I typed in some topics on Google, I came up with so much stuff that I couldn’t go through all of it. Perhaps someone has an idea of exactly where I should be looking? ---
**Author:** ![birdgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/51bf81/32.png) [@birdgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/birdgirl)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-penalty-for-child-rape/197975/171 "2003-09-11T05:12:38Z")
All I can say is, kill the rapists! (especially child rapists)…It is a crime as serious as murder. When will our society realize this? I will volunteer to be the excecutioner. Free of charge. Doing my duty for society. ---
**Author:** ![birdgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/51bf81/32.png) [@birdgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/birdgirl)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-penalty-for-child-rape/197975/172 "2003-09-11T05:21:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by johncole \* > **A few points: > …case in which a 43-year-old father-of-three was convicted of raping an 18 month old baby girl, filming himself, and then posting the video on the internet. He was also charged with molesting a 6-year-old girl and of producing and publishing child porn. He was sentenced to five years in prison, which would probably mean that he would be released in two years under our parole system. > (3) I believe that there are some crimes so heinous, so revolting…My suggestion is that we set aside and isolate a suitable tract of land, provide building materials and a regular supply of subsistence rations, and allow them to build their own society.** Jeezus H. Christ! This man should be put to the gillotine, the shooting squad…hell I will offer to _punish_ him myself! Mother of god, this is such a heonous crime (you know what–the word heinous does not even do it justice) that this person needs to be taken out of society, the gene pool, and the oxygen breathing population. There are starving families in our own country…let’s kill him and take his meals and feed them to poor starving families… He doesn’t deserve any “regular supply of subsistence rations”…that is a lot more than a lot of our own citizens have… **Now that is justice.** ---
**Author:** ![birdgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/51bf81/32.png) [@birdgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/birdgirl)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-penalty-for-child-rape/197975/173 "2003-09-11T05:23:54Z")
It’s only when your _own_ baby daughter or adolescent daugther or teenage daughter gets RAPED that you will finally relalize the penalty that these rapists REALLY deserve! **DEATH!** ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-penalty-for-child-rape/197975/174 "2003-09-11T05:30:20Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by johncole_ > Some people are in favour of the death penalty, some are against. Why not have a vote, and allow the majority to rule on the question - that is the democratic way. Well, luckily we have a constitutional democracy in this country that works to ensure the rights of the minority is not trampled by the majority. ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Cymbeline](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_cymbeline/32/9244_2.png) [@Green\_Cymbeline](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Cymbeline)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-penalty-for-child-rape/197975/175 "2003-09-11T06:41:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\*Well, luckily we have a constitutional democracy in this country that works to ensure the rights of the minority is not trampled by the majority. \*\* Indeed, **Monty,** , you’re right–the rights of the minority–the small girls who are being raped and molested all across this great country–should not be trampled by the the majority (the mass public who doesn’t realize the breadth of the crime). Their rapists should be dealt with accordingly… **KILLED** …which to some rape victims, is a fate better than rape. Thanks for listening. ---
**Author:** ![SunTzu2U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5a626/32.png) [@SunTzu2U](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunTzu2U)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-penalty-for-child-rape/197975/176 "2003-09-11T06:42:55Z")
When are we going to put this poor pony down? ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-penalty-for-child-rape/197975/177 "2003-09-11T07:01:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by birdgirl \* > \*\*It’s only when your _own_ baby daughter or adolescent daugther or teenage daughter gets RAPED that you will finally relalize the penalty that these rapists REALLY deserve! > > **DEATH!** \*\* I’m sure arguments can be made to repeal the Cruel and Unusual Punishments provision of our Constitution in certain instances, but I don’t like where that path would lead us. For example, Osama Bin Ladin murdered and maimed thousands. Perhaps he deserves to be brutally tortured if we ever capture him. After all, whatever torture we inflict upon him could only be a fraction of the suffering he has inflicted upon others. But I would be sad to see a society where we let our sense of revenge take over. Even the worst scum should be treated with basic humanity. Not because they deserve it, but because we don’t want to become like them, and stoop down to their level. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-penalty-for-child-rape/197975/178 "2003-09-11T13:12:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by nyctea scandiaca \* > Indeed, **Monty,** , you’re right–the rights of the minority–the small girls who are being raped and molested all across this great country–should not be trampled by the the majority (the mass public who doesn’t realize the breadth of the crime). Their rapists should be dealt with accordingly… **KILLED** …which to some rape victims, is a fate better than rape. > > Thanks for listening. And you can go straight to hell, you jerk. I certainly did not say, nor did I imply, anything like that. You jackass, pay attention to what I wrote. For one thing, plenty of people realize the seriousness of this particular crime. For another, just because someone’s accused of a crime does not mean they’re guilty of it. For yet another, you yourself said “some rape victims” consider death to be a fate better than rape. So, you are just a vengeful and stupid person who lashed out at me because I dared to mention that this land has a constitution which governs the majority in such a way as that majority does not run roughshod over a minority. I shan’t listen to a damn thing you have to say in the future unless and until you apologize for your false twisting of my post. ---
**Author:** ![Snake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Snake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snake)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2003, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-penalty-for-child-rape/197975/179 "2003-09-12T07:44:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\*We can imprison them thus removing them as a danger on society. \*\* I have an idea. How about we take everyone sentenced to death in the US to a central maximum security prison. Then, all of the anti death penalty people can send in their donations to keep these scabs alive. Once the money runs out, start up the death machine and start with the prisoner with the longest tenure until the budget evens out again. I tell you what , they’ll get tired of writing checks pretty damned quick and you’ll start hearing them say things like " Uh yeah … uh … that guy really WAS bad " As long as the majority of US citizens want to have the death penalty, it should be used. Well, unless somebody wants to get out their checkbook … ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2003, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-penalty-for-child-rape/197975/180 "2003-09-12T09:31:30Z")
I have another idea, Snake: how about you showing that it’s not more expensive to house the prisoners for life instead of executing them. Be sure to include the costs of the trials and appeals. Or better yet: Make a valid argument instead of that stupid crap you just posted. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-penalty-for-child-rape/197975.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-death-penalty-for-child-rape/197975.md?page=10)