Hell if I know. It could have been a lie. He could have hepatitis. He could be drinking like a fish off-camera. He might have liver cancer. IANAD, but at any rate I have YET to see proof that ANY ingredient in McD’s food can cause liver damage.
That’s why you’re still the perfect idiot.
And BTW, this is the pit–you chose to post this nonsense here. That’s why you’re getting flamed and cussed, instead of gently rebutted.
You really are fuckin’ dense, ain’t ya? So, pizza places are seling good, wholesome food (which may contain too much fat, calories, etc.), WHEREAS McDonald’s food is not “wholesome”? Is THAT the claim? And is an additional claim that that McDonald’s ingredients are actually “toxic,” as you have said numerous times?
Well then, prove it, you dumbfuck.
The hamburger buns and pizza dough are going to have the same kind of enriching ingredients (vitamins, etc.) required by law. The pepparoni for the pizza is going to have nitrites and whatnot in it, just like the bacon for the cheeseburgers.
It’s the same fucking deal. If you think otherwise, PROVE otherwise.
Sounds like pretty typical pickling, preserving, and baking chemicals. Would you care to claim that any of these has a deleterious effect on the human body?
Here is the MSDS sheet for polysorbate 80.
Here is the chemical formula and some discussion of cancer studies.
Why don’t you try studying up some next time before you get in a big fat flame war with your moronic opinions?! :wally
Clearly.
Well, I’m not a biologist, but do you know what ascorbic acid is? Vitamin C. Sorbic acid is a polyunsaturated fat used to inhibit the growth of mold in cheese, wine, and baked goods. Calcium propionate is used similarly. Polysorbate 20 is an emulsifier derived from sorbitol, which comes from fruits and berries. You could’ve used Google to find this stuff out just like I did.
Further, I don’t know what definition of “organic” you’re using, but I’m betting you aren’t a chemist either. Most if not all of the ingredients you listed are found in nature and contain carbon. Just because some chemical has a long name doesn’t mean it came from space, or a mad scientist’s laboratory: most of the stuff your body is made of doesn’t “sound organic”, but so what?
Sueing Spurlock would only give Spurlock more publicity and put McD’d in a bad light. Now does Tort Law nessesarily bring out the truth- it only shows what a JURY thinks is the truth. :dubious:
But we don’t know how many tests were done (not impossible that he took dozens of tests, and we were only shown the most extreme), or what the cause was. His GF is into herbs & such, there are herbs that can cause such a spike. It is possible he took a large dose of them just before going in for the test. I don’t know, but the body just doesn’t normally react that fast to simple dietary changes.
The point is- millions of dudes eat McD’s and don’t get liver damage. Why just him? :dubious: Soso Whaleys liver didn’t show damage, did it?
The whole thing about his GF putting him on a “vegan detox diet” shows a great example of bad science. “Detox diets” are woo-woo science.
In that Men’s Health article somebody else cited, he mentions that the specific condition his doctor was worried about was nonalcoholic steatohepatitis – inflammation caused by fatty liver. Fatty liver can be caused by extreme weight gain, dietary issues, diabetes, etc. NASH’s causes are as yet unknown. Check out liverfoundation.org.
This actually gives you a pretty clear picture of what happened – he gained a lot of weight, he ate a lot of empty calories, his liver got heavily stressed. Not really that surprising, admittedly, and somewhat blown out of proportion in the movie – but on the other hand, it’s patently ridiculous to contend that the movie contains omissions or falsifications in this area, given that liver stress CAN be caused by poor diet, and the liver problems he got were the ones that generally are.
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Yeah. For once I’d like to know what “toxins” the health-food-nuts are trying to remove.
I did use Google, and I’ve read those same pages. I know those ingredients were created using natural sources, but they’re not naturally found in the products they’re used in. You can’t just pick a handful of polysorbate 20, grind it down, and sprinkle it on cheese, you have to use some chemical process to extract it and reinstitute it somewhere else. Do you think you can sustain yourself on a diet of soley supplements and vitamins and still remain healthy, even if those supplements contain the same nutrients the lab identifies in real food? My point is, there’s a fundamental difference between a whole food and a mass of food-derived chemicals. I’ll do what’s been proven by thousands of years of human existance and eat regular foods rather than subject myself to the turbulent whims of science (hmm. Who knew that the much heralded hydrogenated oil would be worse than saturated fat?). If I’m eating polysorbate 20, it’d be already in there, not placed. I don’t need a chemists degree in order to validate that path.
Oh God!
:rolleyes: For the trillionth time, did you see the movie? That wasn’t something put forward as a sound scientific remedy, that’s just something she said. She just about giggled when she said “vegan detox diet”, happy that she can finally feed her BF what she wants to feed him.
So, can we expect reports of your hunting and gathering expeditions? I don’t expect you’ll want to use refrigeration to store your food because that involves (yuck!) science. Tip: a lot of salt can mask the taste of rotting meat. I suggest you be wary of parasites.
Now you’re splitting hairs. I don’t have time or space to write an entire essay explaining exactly what I’m talking about, but it’s obvious that I’m not railing against all of science. Yes, I wrote “rather than subject myself…to science”, but just a few obvious context clues would reveal that I’m referring to the concoctions of laboratory chefs; not knowledge and technolgoy in general. I meant what people have been eating, not how they aquired it.
Um, pizzabrat?
What pizza places do you frequent? I hate to break it to you, but unless it’s called the Organic, all natural Pizza Hut or some shit, their ingredients are probably quite similiar to those you’d find in a fast food place.
You know those “fresh” ingredients being placed on the pizza? Well, most of them have been treated with preservatives when they were being packaged. That sauce? You think Momma Chef was out picking the tomatoes from the garden and making it from scratch back in the kitchen?
Honestly, how naaive are you?
I’ve never seen anyone so quickly, completely and willingly brainwashed from a documentary before. Bowling for Columbine (and I enjoyed that movie) had more free-thinking fans than you. Maybe you should do some actual research and try oh, thinking for yourself for a little bit and maybe even listen to what others here are saying instead of being knee jerk defensive instead of taking what this documentary (and I use that term loosely) says as the gospel truth.
It’s insanely ironic given your claimed point of this thread and more than a little frightening how tenaciously you’re defending some of this stuff.
I was vague enough for anyone to imagine that perhaps I do eat at pizza places where Momma Chef picks the ingredients straight from the back garden.
I wasn’t brainwashed by that movie, I just used it in my OP as an example of bewielderingly fervent protest against the criticsim of some worthless firm. Nobody over eighteen even likes McDonald’s that much; I’ve never heard anyone say McDonald’s delivers tasty and nutritious food. The best anyone could say about the food is that’s its palatable and availiable. And I doubt anyone but shareholders would cry if McDonald’s suddenly disappeared, so I’m baffled as to why people like those protestors and some of these posters would care enough about McDonald’s to defend it for anything.
And I’ve had strict standards towards food long before this movie. What’s wrong with wanting others to share those standards? That’s why freedom of speech is protected you know; not just so people can use a soapbox as some meaningless catharisis, but so that people can convince others to change their behavior. It’s called persuasion, and it’s not a crime. I understand this post-boomer “live and let live” atmosphere makes the slightest criticism of somebody else’s actions a federal offense, but I think that’s BS. And my motivation has a self-interest factor, if that makes it more palatable to the individualist in you. If everybody had higher standards of what they sell and what they buy, the American marketplace would naturally just be better. The bottom of the barrell would be less offensive. We’d all be eating better, everyone and everything would look better, and this would be a dramatically less miserable world to live in. Why do you think “Made in Japan” is now a stronger label than “Made in the USA”? They haven’t forgotten “shame” and “pride” over there; nobody’s willing to put their name on cheap crap and shoddy business practices. Too many people, buyers and merchants, don’t share those personal values over here.
Aah, “answering the question” without actually answering the question. Good avoidance tactic. The question, for those of you playing along at home, was: “What pizza places do you frequent?”
Sorry, you’re wrong. I’m over 18 and I quite like McDonalds. I don’t eat there all the time, by any means, but I do enjoy it quite a lot every now and again. They deliver tasty, though not exceptionally nutritious food. And it’s more than palatable and available, sometimes it hits the spot perfectly, it’s cheap, it’s fast, and yes, it’s available.
Yeah I did- and a bunch of other sites. First, in order for “NASH” to be diagnosed, they have to rule out drinking & Hepatitis C ("The diagnosis of primary NASH depends on convincing evidence of negligible … alcohol consumption"http://www.hepnet.com/hepc/uldh98/marleau.html)- and they make it pretty damn clear that drinking, drug use, or hepatitis are mosre likely to be the standard causes- “NASH” is rare… Let’s see- he also claimed he was depressed and had sexual disfunction- both signs of heavy drinking. Thus- plain old alcoholic steatohepeatitis is much more likely. Hep C isn’t all that unlikely either.
NASH commonly occurs in women around 50 years old- with a long hsitory of obesity, and likely diabetes (“A number of studies have suggested that this is a disorder that most commonly occurs in middle-aged, overweight, and obese females, those with diabetes mellitus, and hyperlipidemia. However, other factors seen in clinical practice include patients on total parenteral nutrition, patient’s with prior jejuno-ileal bypass for obesity, and a number of drugs” http://www.digestivehealth.com/Liver_Clinic/nonalcoholic_steatohepatitis.htm). Spurlock may have put on a few pounds, but he did not seem to have a long history of being clinically obese- nor did his weight gain push him into “obese”, nor is a month a “long history of”. He’s also not 50, or female, and he didn’t mention diabetes.
Read all the sites on NASH. They convinced ME that the chance of Spurlock gaining this condition from 3 weeks of over-eating lie in the “damn near impossible” range. Yes, it is possible , but he is so atypicle that I’d need conclusive proof. First- I’d need proof he didn’t drink during that time.
A very keen observation, sir. Those products are made by taking two or more ingredients and mixing them. It’s called cooking.
I did a little bit of it myself yesterday. Milk is not naturally found in eggs, and soy sauce is not naturally found in noodles or vegetables. But I’m such a daredevil, I thumbed my nose at Nature’s plan by making scrambled eggs and stir fry… and as you can see, I’m still alive.
You know, the products themselves are not found in nature, but so what? There’s no plant or animal that grows bread. Pickles are not found in nature, they’re produced from cucumbers. That doesn’t mean they’re unhealthy or dangerous; it means humans are clever enough to combine things they find in nature to make new foods.
If they’re the same chemicals that make up “real food”, then yes, of course you can sustain yourself on them. If you put a sandwich in the blender and drink it, you’re consuming the same compounds that are in the sandwich, and you’re getting the same nutrition from it.
Of course, that’s not the case here. A McDonald’s hamburger bun is not “a mass of food-derived chemicals”, it’s a piece of bread with some stuff added - the same kind of stuff that’s added to just about every other bread product you can find in a supermarket. The bun is made mostly of flour and water, just as you’d expect bread to be. The pickles are primarily cucumbers, water, and vinegar.
I’m over 18, and while McDonald’s food is hardly nutritious, it is tasty.
I wouldn’t cry if McDonald’s suddenly disappeared… because there’s a Burger King and an A&W/KFC right across the street. But I do enjoy being able to drive 3 minutes from where I work and get tasty, consistent food immediately, and I don’t want those places to close or artificially raise their prices just because some people eat there too much and get fat, or because some kooks are afraid of food additives with scientific-sounding names.
I’m over 18 and I also find Mickey D’s to be quite tasty-though not at all nutritious.
And for godsakes, “natural” doesn’t equal “healthy.” Snake venom, poison ivy, and mosquitos are all “natural.” Doesn’t mean they’re good for you.
In my experience, such displays of arrogant conceit on public messageboards rarely win kudos towards the person making the claim.
In short, you might be right after all. But your delivery sucks.