# The Democratic National Convention **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 17, 2016, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-national-convention/760158 "2016-07-17T21:58:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-national-convention/760158/41 "2016-07-24T15:51:36Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > So, DWS isn’t going to speak or preside over the convention. I wonder if this was a bargain to keep a firm muzzle on Bernie Monday night? They’re saving here for the mud wrestling match with Bernie during the closing ceremonies. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-national-convention/760158/42 "2016-07-24T15:51:53Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > I would be very sad, if like the Esam Omeish guy that Tim Kaine hired 9 years ago, jihad-apologism and anti-Israel comments came up from this Khan guy. Kaine subsequently fired him. > > Just because Khan served doesn’t mean he’s pure; see Nidal Hassan. One must stand for American leadership, support of America’s allies (including Israel), and never apologize or explain Islam jihad. > > It does seem a lot like CAIR and other orgs tend to apologize for Islamic terror, explain the term “jihad” as something other than holy war, Islam-splain it, or blame Israel. This Khan guy better have a record not only of doing neither, but doing the opposite. I have zero tolerance for Israel haters, and [neither do real Americans](http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/b9hijypcf0sx_p3h9lq6qa.png). Muslim opinion on Israel is far more uniform than Jewish opinion on the conflict; that is fucked up. Do you have any evidence to suspect Khan? For what reason are you concerned about him? I don’t understand what you’re talking about – please explain. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-national-convention/760158/43 "2016-07-24T16:52:48Z")
Someone asked the analog to Zell Miller, well it appears that Mike Bloomberg is going to be speaking at the Democratic Convention to endorse Hillary Clinton. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-national-convention/760158/44 "2016-07-24T17:03:14Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > So, DWS isn’t going to speak or preside over the convention. I wonder if this was a bargain to keep a firm muzzle on Bernie Monday night? I’m sure. This is also the most open action HRC has taken to reaffirm her control of the convention (and the party), showing that she’s capable of making tough choices. It would have been easy to stand by her friend, through thick and thin, playing the “I’m loyal to my people no matter how much they keep screwing up” card, but fuck it - now there’s no chance for DWS to elicit booing, no chance for Bernie to play butthurt about DWS speaking @ convention, and the woman has become more than a bit of a political liability over the past few months. DWS will be gone soon, and this is the first step in that process. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-national-convention/760158/45 "2016-07-24T17:05:40Z")
DWS would have to go now, regardless of Bernie’s position. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-national-convention/760158/46 "2016-07-24T17:11:44Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > DWS would have to go now, regardless of Bernie’s position. Completely agree. Probably all RNC and DNC chairs have secret biases, but she was blind to how her own conduct looked to those who participated in the process. The worst part of it is, these were probably unforced errors and if anything they just strengthened the narrative that Clinton is a product of the system and that they don’t represent the people. If the Dems were really in danger of having an “Oh shit” moment like the republicans that would have been one thing, but Sanders was made stronger because of their tactics. Bernie would have made his inroads regardless, but the DNC panicked a bit and made a difficult race even more difficult than necessary. And now they’re trying to clean up all the shit stains on the carpet just in time for the big house party. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-national-convention/760158/47 "2016-07-24T17:21:45Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > DWS would have to go now, regardless of Bernie’s position. True, but all the better that HRC can play multiple middles to this end. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-national-convention/760158/48 "2016-07-24T18:08:57Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > … and [neither do real Americans](http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/b9hijypcf0sx_p3h9lq6qa.png). … Nine times out of ten when someone uses the phrase “real Americans” they diminish the value of anything they say ten-fold. FWIW the Khan who served will not be speaking as he is, you know, dead. This is the father. Not someone with a record of political involvement or activism before his son died, heroically. No record of public statements that can be misinterpreted and spun out of context. Let us _imagine_ though that Mr. Khan _has_ expressed Palestinian sympathies publicly. So? The message is just as valid. And in case that message needs to spelled out to you here it is: Mr. Khan is a real American. His son, whatever his political opinions were, was a real American. Those who want to exclude them, and other “others”, from that that label? Them I am not so sure about, as the strength that emerges from “out of many - one” is the quintessential aspect of being a real American in my mind. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-national-convention/760158/49 "2016-07-24T18:52:17Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > It does seem a lot like CAIR and other orgs tend to apologize for Islamic terror, explain the term “jihad” as something other than holy war, Islam-splain it, or blame Israel. This Khan guy better have a record not only of doing neither, but doing the opposite. I have zero tolerance for Israel haters, and [neither do real Americans](http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/b9hijypcf0sx_p3h9lq6qa.png). Muslim opinion on Israel is far more uniform than Jewish opinion on the conflict; that is fucked up. I’m just going to take a wild guess here and peg you for Tea Party. I suppose those 38% of Americans who disagree with you according to your own cite aren’t ‘real Americans.’ Because, gods know, it’s not American to have a view different from the majority one. Or to stand up for it. Give me a fucking break. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-national-convention/760158/50 "2016-07-24T19:15:52Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > I suppose those 38% of Americans who disagree with you according to your own cite aren’t ‘real Americans.’ Because, gods know, it’s not American to have a view different from the majority one. Or to stand up for it. > > Give me a fucking break. Certainly, the 15% who sympathize with the Palestinians are indeed not real Americans. I’ll leave the undecideds/both/no opinion people alone tho. But given that the I:P ratio is 4:1 in that poll, I think we know which is the AMERICAN viewpoint. [QUOTE=DSeid] Let us _imagine_ though that Mr. Khan _has_ expressed Palestinian sympathies publicly. So? The message is just as valid. [/QUOTE] Sympathies for a movement which condones and promotes blowing oneself up, [cheering September 11](https://youtu.be/oMOZvbYJMvU?t=6s) (not Trump’s made-up NJ story), torturing then murdering Olympic athletes, aligning with America’s enemies like Saddam during Desert Storm and Iran too, etc. That is un-American. ---
**Author:** ![picker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/picker/32/13969_2.png) [@picker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/picker)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-national-convention/760158/51 "2016-07-24T19:28:40Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > I have zero tolerance for Israel haters, and [neither do real Americans](http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/b9hijypcf0sx_p3h9lq6qa.png). As this is not the Pit, I can’t truly speak my opinion of this statement and of you. Suffice it to say this real American (and combat veteran) does not support Israel and finds much fault with their policies and methods of governance. Though to be fair, not nearly so much as he finds in the mealy mouthed rantings of the Tea Party and their lapdog apologists. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-national-convention/760158/52 "2016-07-24T19:36:31Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > Certainly, the 15% who sympathize with the Palestinians are indeed not real Americans. I’ll leave the undecideds/both/no opinion people alone tho. But given that the I:P ratio is 4:1 in that poll, I think we know which is the AMERICAN viewpoint. I think the only thing we know is _your_ idea of the AMERICAN viewpoint, the one which both you agree with and agrees with you. Sort of, y’know, antithetical to the whole point of democracy. > [@](#): > > Sympathies for a movement which condones and promotes blowing oneself up, [cheering September 11](https://youtu.be/oMOZvbYJMvU?t=6s) (not Trump’s made-up NJ story), torturing then murdering Olympic athletes, aligning with America’s enemies like Saddam during Desert Storm and Iran too, etc. That is un-American. Because questioning the zealotry involved in the Israeli response automatically equates to condoning terrorism, right? Yeah, try again, without the absolutist ideologies. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-national-convention/760158/53 "2016-07-24T20:03:00Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > Certainly, the 15% who sympathize with the Palestinians are indeed not real Americans. I’ll leave the undecideds/both/no opinion people alone tho. But given that the I:P ratio is 4:1 in that poll, I think we know which is the AMERICAN viewpoint. > Sympathies for a movement which condones and promotes blowing oneself up, [cheering September 11](https://youtu.be/oMOZvbYJMvU?t=6s) (not Trump’s made-up NJ story), torturing then murdering Olympic athletes, aligning with America’s enemies like Saddam during Desert Storm and Iran too, etc. That is un-American. Expressing sympathy for people who are suffering doesn’t mean one approves of acts of violence that some, but not most, of those people do. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-national-convention/760158/54 "2016-07-24T20:40:00Z")
I’m declaring the Israeli- Palestinian thing a hijack for this thread. Take it elsewhere from this point. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-national-convention/760158/55 "2016-07-24T21:46:42Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > Certainly, the 15% who sympathize with the Palestinians are indeed not real Americans. Ahh! I see you were one of the people chanting “America: love it or leave it!” forty-five years ago. In a long tradition going back through Wilson’s Sedition Act, all the way to the Federalists’ Alien and Sedition Acts. While those comments and laws have always been a (sad) part of American history, they have also always been ultimately rejected by the American people. (Of course, that would mean that by proposing such tests for “real Americans,” you are actually not a real American.) ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-national-convention/760158/56 "2016-07-24T21:59:16Z")
Ooo, mod fight, mod fight!! ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-national-convention/760158/57 "2016-07-24T22:02:34Z")
Getting back to the DNC, I hope I’m correct in not being too nervous about Bernie tomorrow. I think there was a behind the scenes deal to get rid of DWS in exchange for Bernie keeping his mouth shut about the Democratic Party and the internal workings of it. Bernie wants to be relevant for his last few years in the Senate and doesn’t want to sit on the post office appropriations committee and deliver empty Senate rants. Being booed by his colleagues while he kept his secret service detail has hopefully taken his ego down a few pegs from his Messiah complex during primary season. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-national-convention/760158/58 "2016-07-24T22:16:17Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Ooo, mod fight, mod fight!! Nah. I got interrupted between quoting the post and submitting my response. I am not going to pursue this line of discussion in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-national-convention/760158/59 "2016-07-25T00:41:59Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Getting back to the DNC, I hope I’m correct in not being too nervous about Bernie tomorrow. I think there was a behind the scenes deal to get rid of DWS in exchange for Bernie keeping his mouth shut about the Democratic Party and the internal workings of it. Still I get the feeling that like with his concession he’s going to dedicate a lot of his time to making a big deal of his run and the votes and states he got and what great deeds they did. The test is going to be whether he explicitly tells those who supported him that the right thing to do is to unite behind Clinton/Kaine to stop Trump, that stopping Trump is as deserving of their passion and effort. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-national-convention/760158/60 "2016-07-25T00:55:21Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Still I get the feeling that like with his concession he’s going to dedicate a lot of his time to making a big deal of his run and the votes and states he got and what great deeds they did. The test is going to be whether he explicitly tells those who supported him that the right thing to do is to unite behind Clinton/Kaine to stop Trump, that stopping Trump is as deserving of their passion and effort. “Vote your conscience.” [long pause] “By which I mean, vote for Clinton/Kaine to stop Trump. I mean, come on!” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-national-convention/760158.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-national-convention/760158.md?page=4)