# The Democratic party has rejected Clintonism **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 14, 2016, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-party-has-rejected-clintonism/752172 "2016-04-14T11:18:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-party-has-rejected-clintonism/752172/41 "2016-04-15T07:27:46Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > As has been said, there’s more to the Democratic base than upper middle class white Millennial progressives. This is a myth that not only is utterly unworthy of life, but deserves to be utterly annihilated by a few dozen thermonuclear strikes if necessary. Exit poll after exit poll has shown that among whites, Sanders supporters are disproportionately lower-income and not college educated. The upper middle class is solidly for Hillary as election results from the wealthy suburbs of Boston, NoVa, and Palm Beach County all have shown. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-party-has-rejected-clintonism/752172/42 "2016-04-15T08:09:15Z")
Some folks forget about the other folks in Washington during his tenure. For the last 6 of his 8 years as President, Bill Clinton signed into law bills passed by a Congress & Senate both controlled by Republicans. It bugged the shit out of me that he took credit for the many great things they did. But hell, I like driving faster on the highway and making some jump through hoops for their Quest card. If Hillary does the same thing we’ll be sitting pretty again. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-party-has-rejected-clintonism/752172/43 "2016-04-15T08:21:44Z")
The main difference between the Clintons and Obama is that Clinton signed a lot of those bills. Obama generally does not. The Republicans will be able to pass legislation again starting in 2017 regardless of who wins. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-party-has-rejected-clintonism/752172/44 "2016-04-15T12:04:18Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The main difference between the Clintons and Obama is that Clinton signed a lot of those bills. Obama generally does not. The Republicans will be able to pass legislation again starting in 2017 regardless of who wins. To be fair, the Republicans during Clinton’s years were not as batshit crazy as the Republicans of today. The Republicans of 2017 will be in the minority in both houses and won’t have any influence other than the filibuster. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-party-has-rejected-clintonism/752172/45 "2016-04-15T12:13:22Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > To be fair, the Republicans during Clinton’s years were not as batshit crazy as the Republicans of today. I love how the left begins their conversations like an 8 year old by calling their opposition names. :rolleyes: What, exactly, has the current congress passed and sent to the President that the Congress of 95-01 wouldn’t have? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-party-has-rejected-clintonism/752172/46 "2016-04-15T12:18:08Z")
Congress isn’t much different. The President is. I almost hope Clinton wins so that this will be proven. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-party-has-rejected-clintonism/752172/47 "2016-04-15T12:19:09Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The main difference between the Clintons and Obama is that Clinton signed a lot of those bills. Obama generally does not. The Republicans will be able to pass legislation again starting in 2017 regardless of who wins. Yes, I’m quite sure the Republicans will continue to send bills repealing the ACA to President Clinton. What else are you expecting, elimination of the estate tax and defunding the EPA? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-party-has-rejected-clintonism/752172/48 "2016-04-15T12:19:47Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > I love how the left begins their conversations like an 8 year old by calling their opposition names. :rolleyes: > > What, exactly, has the current congress passed and sent to the President that the Congress of 95-01 wouldn’t have? The current Congress hasn’t passed anything of note. Can you point to something that they sent to the president that was vetoed that should have been signed? Other than holding Benghazi hearings, voting to repeal the ACA dozens of times, and threatening to hold the debt limit hostage what have Boehner/Ryan and McConnell been up to for the past seven years? ---
**Author:** ![Kiber](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kiber/32/317_2.png) [@Kiber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kiber)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-party-has-rejected-clintonism/752172/49 "2016-04-15T12:23:27Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The main difference between the Clintons and Obama is that Clinton signed a lot of those bills. Obama generally does not. The Republicans will be able to pass legislation again starting in 2017 regardless of who wins. Huh? Maybe I’m being whooshed - but Clinton vetoed almost 5 times as many bills as Obama. Now you could say that’s a factor of the do-nothing congress, and you’d be partly right. But even as a percentage of total bills enacted, Clinton vetoed bills at a rate 3.1 times higher than Obama. [Data here](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/statistics). Stuff may not be getting enacted now - but it’s not Obama’s fault. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-party-has-rejected-clintonism/752172/50 "2016-04-15T12:23:28Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Yes, I’m quite sure the Republicans will continue to send bills repealing the ACA to President Clinton. > > What else are you expecting, elimination of the estate tax and defunding the EPA? No, we won’t get that much.🙂 But we will get TPP passed, Clinton’s promises notwithstanding. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-party-has-rejected-clintonism/752172/51 "2016-04-15T12:24:29Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > The current Congress hasn’t passed anything of note. Then what were you talking about? adaher and I were posting about how for 6 years the Republicans passed bills and Clinton signed them and even though he took the credit for those things they still were pretty good. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-party-has-rejected-clintonism/752172/52 "2016-04-15T12:25:52Z")
> [@Kiber](#): > > Huh? Maybe I’m being whooshed - but Clinton vetoed almost 5 times as many bills as Obama. Now you could say that’s a factor of the do-nothing congress, and you’d be partly right. But even as a percentage of total bills enacted, Clinton vetoed bills at a rate 3.1 times higher than Obama. [Data here](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/statistics). > > Stuff may not be getting enacted now - but it’s not Obama’s fault. The Republicans passed major bills under Clinton, mainly due to a tighter caucus than they have now, and more Blue Dogs in the Senate to help overcome filibusters. Clinton vetoed more because more reached his desk, and because he was skillful at negotiating, which meant more palatable bills got sent up to him. He vetoed tax cuts in 1998, so REpublicans went back to the drawing board and sent him tax cuts he could sign. He vetoed two welfare reform bills before signing the third one. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-party-has-rejected-clintonism/752172/53 "2016-04-15T12:26:43Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The main difference between the Clintons and Obama is that Clinton signed a lot of those bills. Obama generally does not. The Republicans will be able to pass legislation again starting in 2017 regardless of who wins. How are you measuring this? Didn’t Clinton use the veto four times as much as Obama? ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-party-has-rejected-clintonism/752172/54 "2016-04-15T12:28:15Z")
> [@Kiber](#): > > Stuff may not be getting enacted now - but it’s not Obama’s fault. yes it is. Why bother sending him stuff you know he’s going to veto and not get overridden. He may have vetoed a lot, but from 95-01 all the laws Clinton did sign were those passed by Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-party-has-rejected-clintonism/752172/55 "2016-04-15T12:33:54Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > How are you measuring this? Didn’t Clinton use the veto four times as much as Obama? The vetoes aren’t the state you should be looking at. It’s major legislation that was signed, and there was a lot of it during the Clinton years. Pretty much none in the Obama years. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-party-has-rejected-clintonism/752172/56 "2016-04-15T12:34:46Z")
I see you simulposted an answer. Not sure that it really back up your original assertion. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-party-has-rejected-clintonism/752172/57 "2016-04-15T12:34:48Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > Then what were you talking about? adaher and I were posting about how for 6 years the Republicans passed bills and Clinton signed them and even though he took the credit for those things they still were pretty good. Once again, the Republican Party of 1993 doesn’t exist any more. I’ll grant that they were somewhat reasonable then, but you must admit they have gone completely off the rails now. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-party-has-rejected-clintonism/752172/58 "2016-04-15T12:41:56Z")
THe party is only different in that they are more divided now, so it’s hard to pass anything without not just Democrats, but liberal Democrats. The Blue Dogs are mostly extinct and the Tea Party is too absolutist. But the majority of the party is still of the Gingrich persuasion, far right but willing to make incremental progress. One helpful thing that may happen in 2016 is some Blue Dogs replacing some Tea Partiers. That would actually make things run a little smoother for the Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![CGav8r](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/34f0e0/32.png) [@CGav8r](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CGav8r)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-party-has-rejected-clintonism/752172/59 "2016-04-15T12:42:15Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > yes it is. Why bother sending him stuff you know he’s going to veto and not get overridden. > > He may have vetoed a lot, but from 95-01 all the laws Clinton did sign were those passed by Republicans. Sounds like the GOP congress are unable to craft legislation that can be signed by the president. This clearly shows P oor negotiation skillz and an inability to compromise; let’s hope the next congress can do a better job than these amateurs (esp the amateurs elected during the Tea Party wave-those guys/gals are inept). Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Kiber](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kiber/32/317_2.png) [@Kiber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kiber)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-party-has-rejected-clintonism/752172/60 "2016-04-15T12:43:10Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > yes it is. Why bother sending him stuff you know he’s going to veto and not get overridden. > > He may have vetoed a lot, but from 95-01 all the laws Clinton did sign were those passed by Republicans. Wait - so Republicans in Congress are just itching to get stuff done, but gosh darnit - they’re just too afraid of that dreaded Obama veto? For reference, to date Obama’s record is 9 vetoes in total which corresponds to a rate of 0.81% of bills enacted. And for the first 6 years of his tenure - Obama had a grand total of 2 vetoes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-party-has-rejected-clintonism/752172.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democratic-party-has-rejected-clintonism/752172.md?page=4)