The Democratic platform.

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Nope, it isn’t. He’s referring to Apple’s “Preview” app, which handles PDFs and images.

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Both “sides” of the center? :slight_smile:

Awww. The Libertarians have a platform. That’s very cute of them. They’re acting just like a grown-up political party. :wink:

I don’t think it’s possible to be “pissed off” and “helpless with mirth” at the same time, so you’re going to have trouble making good on that guarantee.

To me, this is one of the major failings of the current Democratic Party. I have 4 friends in Florida who plan on voting for Bush this year. It’s not that they think highly of Bush, but that they just will vote against the Democrat.

Three of the four have libertarian views, although not quite to the extent of Lib or the Libertarian Party. They are hard working, non-religious, productive members of society who believe in personal freedoms. Two of the three are frequent drinkers and pot smokers (but they own their home and land and are successful owners and operators of a small business).

But they fear the Democrats’ tax-and-spend policy. Conservative-pushed buzz words, like “income redistribution”, and scary images, such as the welfare mom with a Mercedes, draw attention away from the current Republicans’ spend policy.

Democrats have almost nothing to offer in the way of personal freedoms. They have embraced the family values rhetoric, been participants in the fight for censorship, and done little for decriminilizing certain drugs. Hell, John Kerry is against gay marriage.

So who do these libertarian-minded people vote for? The Democrats, who offer them nothing, or the Republicans, who at least offer them half? I think there are a lot of people in the country with similar views. If the Democrats could champion the rights for civil liberties, they could swing these Anti-Democrat voters into independents, and push many Anti-Republican voters firmly into the Democrat ranks.

You mean “the Republicans, who at least in theory offer them half”. One of the unfortunate results of the “party blending” that has been going on (Dem’s embracing Family Values, or whatever, as you say) has been pretty much EVERYBODY has forgotten the concept of smaller government.

Both parties are just blurring their lines so much these days… one can easily be far more right than a Republican and still refer to oneself as a Democrat.

MY PREDICTION FOR THE FUTURE:

-I think, eventually, the furthest-left aspects of the Dems will break away, either in an attempt to create a new party or join one of the existing, more liberal parties.

-This will leave a far more moderate, overall, Democratic party, which will entice moderate Republicans over to their side.

-This will leave a very right-wing Republican party, where Jerry Falwell and Fred Phelps and their gaggle of acolytes can scream and rant all day long. Hopefully, they get crushed under a giant piano.

Probably won’t come true, but I’m pulling for the piano crushing, at the very, very least.

… Just waitin’ for Elucidator or someone to have a field day with THAT line…

“Well, sure, SPOOFE, Democrats will always be right, and the Pubbies will always be wrong, yuk yuk!”

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Well, there’s only a little material to work with there. I mean, there are several parties and non-party political organizations to the left of the Dems, but none of them are very large in membership. Still, the idea of stitching them together into one medium-sized party, that might shave off the left wing of the Democrats – say, the Deaniacs and everybody to their left – is exciting. Here’s the ones I know about (descriptions in quote boxes are from www.politics1.com):

The Communist Party USA – http://www.cpusa.org/

The Democratic Socialists of America – http://www.dsausa.org/

The Green Party of the United States – http://www.gp.org/

The Greens/Green Party USA – http://www.greenparty.org/

The Labor Party – http://www.thelaborparty.org/

The New Party – http://www.newparty.org/

NOTE: The New Party banked all its hopes on the strategy of “ballot fusion” or “cross-endorsement” – nominating one person as the candidate of more than one party. (I started a GD thread on fusion recently – http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=262650.) Unfortunately, this kind of “combination ticket” was outlawed in most states in the late 19th Century for the express purpose of shutting down third parties; at present, it is legal in only ten states. The New Party filed a lawsuit in Minnesota to force the state to allow fusion based on the “freedom of association” clause of the First Amendment. It went all the way up to the U.S. Supreme Court, which rejected the argument in Timmons v. Twin Cities Area New Party, April 28, 1997. After the Timmons decision, the New Party gradually faded away as a national organization. (There’s still a New Party website, at http://www.newparty.org/, but it hasn’t been updated in years.) But some state-level branches of it survived:
The Working Families Party of New York – http://www.workingfamiliesparty.org/
The Connecticut Working Families Party – Registrant WHOIS contact information verification | Namecheap.com
Progressive Minnesota – http://www.progressivemn.org/).
The national-level leadership of the NP decided to channel their energies into creating a new organization dedicated to fighting for fusion as an electoral reform: The New Majority Education Fund: http://www.nmef.org/

Peace and Freedom Party – http://www.peaceandfreedom.org/

The Progressive Party of Vermont – http://www.progressiveparty.org/
This is the party of Bernie Sanders – the only independent in the U.S. House of Representatives. Its policies are similar to those of the New Party organizations mentioned above.

The Social Democrats, USA – http://www.socialdemocrats.org/

NOTE: Based on materials from their website, the SDs supported the Iraq War, and their foreign policy generally is not much different from the neoconservatives’. They appear to be hardly leftist at all any more, except in the sense of supporting organized labor.

The Socialist Party USA – http://www.sp-usa.org/

The Socialist Workers Party – http://www.themilitant.com/

That’s always been the problem with the American left: To doctrinal, too fragmented. A bunch of fucking splitters. Any chance of all these merging or forming a broader alliance?

But, say what you will about these groups – if you look at their platforms they are not in any way vague or meaningless, the way the Republicrats’ platforms are.

(Myself, I’m a member of the DSA and the SPUSA. But a registered Democrat – why not?)

Or maybe they have studied the issues, and simply don’t agree with you? Why do some of you on the left always assume that Republicans are ill-informed and just need to be enlightened? Many conservatives understand Liberal arguments quite well. We just don’t agree with them. Have some respect for your opponents.

I got the impression that Monocracy was talking about the views of a few close friends, so he’s not making assumptions about some nonspecific conservatives. He’s talking about folks whose thought processes he’s had the opportunity to examine at close range.

Frankly, any conservative who starts talking about the “tax and spend Democrats” is obviously misinformed. Among recent administrations, which had a balanced budget? Clinton (and please don’t tell me that it was the Republican Congress that made that happen - Clinton actually proposed a series of balanced budgets - he didn’t get dragged into it, kicking and screaming, by the Congress). Which had massive deficit spending? Reagan and Bush II. The old canards just don’t apply anymore.