# The Democrats Emergency Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 5, 2019, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-emergency-thread/843006 "2019-11-05T01:12:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-emergency-thread/843006/121 "2019-11-06T13:44:09Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Getting back to the thread topic: after last night, I’m not exactly feeling the emergency here. I’m happy, too, but you might want to reconsider. Hillary won Virginia — no gain implied there (for the 2020 Dem prez nominee). And do you really think Kentucky could flip to blue for that Dem nominee? Signs of hope, yes, but they need to translate into facts along the shores of the Great Lakes, not the foothills of the the Appalachians. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-emergency-thread/843006/122 "2019-11-06T13:51:41Z")
Eh, you say 'not", I say “or”. “And” even. If it happens, I’ll take it. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-emergency-thread/843006/123 "2019-11-06T16:23:10Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > I’m happy, too, but you might want to reconsider. Hillary won Virginia — no gain implied there (for the 2020 Dem prez nominee). And do you really think Kentucky could flip to blue for that Dem nominee? > > Signs of hope, yes, but they need to translate into facts along the shores of the Great Lakes, not the foothills of the the Appalachians. One word:\*\* turnout\*\*. Why would potential Democratic voters be more likely to turn out in massively high numbers in Virginia in 2019 than potential Democratic voters in Michigan or Wisconsin would in 2020? I can’t think of one. In a polarized political environment, getting your prospective voters to be actual voters is the name of the game. That’s what happened in Virginia in 2017 and 2018 and 2019, and in most of the rest of the country in 2018. Looks awfully likely to happen again in 2020. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-emergency-thread/843006/124 "2019-11-06T17:02:33Z")
I hear you, and hope you’re right. One thing that concerns me is that the heart of the impeachment complaint is a foreign matter, and many of the key voters Dems need just don’t care what happens beyond our borders. The Watergate break-in was nice and local, and easy to picture in one’s mind (or portray in a dramatic reenactment). ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-emergency-thread/843006/125 "2019-11-06T17:19:49Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > … Lewinsky, however, by using his authority as her boss to sexually harass her, this is a grey area. However, Lewinsky didn’t claim harassment and in the civilian world their relationship was perfectly legal though many corporations today would terminate managers who engage in it. The first sentence makes no sense grammatically, but assuming it tries to show Lewinsky as Clinton’s victim, it is also nonsensical factually. However wrong Clinton’s behavior was (and it _was_ wrong), Lewinsky, a 22-year old adult, actively sought out a relationship with Potus and achieved her wish. Lewinsky _was_ a victim of course; she was victimized by the hypocritical hack Starr who threatened her with prison if she didn’t rat-fink on her lover. In a righteous world, Starr would have gone to jail. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-emergency-thread/843006/126 "2019-11-06T17:51:59Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …Clinton deserved to be impeached. His treatment of Lewinsky back then and even his treatment of Lewinsky now was nothing short of disgusting. If Clinton had told them to “fuck off” then he would have been every bit as bad as Trump & co’s behaviour now. I can at least give him a bit of credit for that. Those werent crimes. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-emergency-thread/843006/127 "2019-11-06T17:55:24Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > I hear you, and hope you’re right. > One thing that concerns me is that the heart of the impeachment complaint is a foreign matter, and many of the key voters Dems need just don’t care what happens beyond our borders. The Watergate break-in was nice and local, and easy to picture in one’s mind (or portray in a dramatic reenactment). Do you think there are at least 110,000 of these “key voters” who care? Because that’s how razor thin the margin of electoral victory was for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-emergency-thread/843006/128 "2019-11-06T18:39:31Z")
Exactly. No one knows. It may be a mystery until exactly a year from now. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-emergency-thread/843006/129 "2019-11-06T19:32:49Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > If you’re going to go there, this reminds me that we know who Monica Lewinsky is only because Ken Starr’s henchmen threatened her with a long prison term if she didn’t cooperate with them. This is the central point. I have not heard any complaint from Lewinski regarding what happened in the oval, and while there may be some component of something like Stockholm Syndrome in that, given two decades of distance from the original events, one might expect that she has had enough time to examine her own feelings and register her objections. Her biggest complaint, that I am aware of, relates to the publicity, so it is reasonable to say that Tripp and Starr exacted far more harm upon her than the President ever did. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-emergency-thread/843006/130 "2019-11-06T21:21:25Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Her biggest complaint, that I am aware of, relates to the publicity, so it is reasonable to say that Tripp and Starr exacted far more harm upon her than the President ever did. …you aren’t in any position to judge what harm Clinton did to her. In her most recent interview with [Vanity Fair](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/02/monica-lewinsky-in-the-age-of-metoo)she said “Now, at 44, I’m beginning (just beginning) to consider the implications of the power differentials that were so vast between a president and a White House intern. I’m beginning to entertain the notion that in such a circumstance the idea of consent might well be rendered moot.” I agree that the behaviour of Tripp and Starr was despicable, disgusting, contemptible, and inhumane. But you can condemn their behaviour without having to defend what it was that Clinton did. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-emergency-thread/843006/131 "2019-11-06T22:00:25Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > I hear you, and hope you’re right. > One thing that concerns me is that the heart of the impeachment complaint is a foreign matter, and many of the key voters Dems need just don’t care what happens beyond our borders. The Watergate break-in was nice and local, and easy to picture in one’s mind (or portray in a dramatic reenactment). It’s only a foreign matter until you explain that Trump was using \*\*our \*\*money, approved by \*\*our \*_congressional representatives, for an illegal and purely political purpose_. It’s really no different than if Congress had authorized a $400 million infrastructure project, but Trump unilaterally withheld that money until all the contractors involved made donations to his re-election campaign. \*Yes, the GOP will debate the “illegal and purely political” part, but we’re talking about framing the issue as a non-foreign matter, not the validity of it as a whole. ---
**Author:** ![MortSahlFan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@MortSahlFan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MortSahlFan)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-emergency-thread/843006/132 "2019-11-06T23:11:53Z")
Bernie isn’t radical. Hell, he got a lot of support on Fox, because many people do agree with him. He’s also very popular here in the mid-west. Hillary only lost because Trump won so many blue states. Also, Bernie has so many young supporters, usually those who don’t vote. I don’t support anyone else, and won’t vote for anyone else. People need someone who inspires them, not a repeat of 2016. Forget the polls. Polls don’t vote. Also, you will always get an extreme right-wing bias, because of the demographics of those who still have land line phones. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-emergency-thread/843006/133 "2019-11-06T23:19:17Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …you aren’t in any position to judge what harm Clinton did to her. … Ok, this is turning into a hijack, maybe start yet another thread on this? ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-emergency-thread/843006/134 "2019-11-06T23:23:42Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > It’s only a foreign matter until you explain that Trump was using \*\*our \*\*money, approved by \*\*our \*\*congressional representatives, for an illegal and purely political purpose… All true, but you needn’t convince me. 🙂 No matter what we say, some folks will just feel it isn’t that important, because it didn’t “happen” here. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-emergency-thread/843006/135 "2019-11-06T23:41:06Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Ok, this is turning into a hijack, maybe start yet another thread on this? …I’m “hijacking” the thread every bit as much as your “Those werent crimes” post and SamuelA’s “apparently isn’t getting it in with porn stars right now” post and eschereal’s “Clinton wasn’t so bad” post and your “Ok, this is turning into a hijack” post. If you want to start another thread on this go ahead. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-emergency-thread/843006/136 "2019-11-07T14:43:38Z")
“No crimes”? Heck, that bit with the magic marker and the hurricane map was a federal felony. Plus, of course, all of the sexual assaults, and tax evasion, and fraud, and emoluments, and so on. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-emergency-thread/843006/137 "2019-11-07T22:38:25Z")
Well, Bloomberg just joined the fray. Lucky us. Another billionaire. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-emergency-thread/843006/138 "2019-11-15T11:01:13Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > The only time that you can really and truly afford to make enemies of big business in this country is when the economy is absolutely, positively in the shitter, to the point where there’s revolutionary sentiment brewing. Basically, like what we had in 2008 or 1932. Short of that, forget it. A socialist of any stripe hasn’t a chance. Oh, you think things are going well, then? At this point he only things likely to stop Bernie from winning are his health & massive election fraud. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-emergency-thread/843006/139 "2019-11-15T15:09:41Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > More signs of the coming End of the World[sup]TM[/sup]. > > May I present Governor Beavis (D) of Kentucky and, his friends at the Democratic-controlled VA senate. > > Mwahahahahaha! Got anything useful to say? I mean, “I don’t like Democrats” may accurately describe where you’re coming from, but it really isn’t much of a contribution to the discussion. ---
**Author:** ![pjacks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e19adc/32.png) [@pjacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pjacks)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-emergency-thread/843006/140 "2019-11-15T15:32:13Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Got anything useful to say? > > I mean, “I don’t like Democrats” may accurately describe where you’re coming from, but it really isn’t much of a contribution to the discussion. I think he is being sarcastic, and implying that those completely winnable races prove that it’s nothing but smooth sailing for democrats from here to Election Day. Yeah, Democrats controlling the senate of the state with the largest ratio of federal government employees, all of who uniquely despise Trump, and a Democrat winning a governor’s race against the most unpopular incumbent governor in the US by half a percentage point, are somehow indicative of everything going peachy for Dems. Meanwhile, look at Trump’s numbers in Midwest states for a dose of reality. This country is going to make history by re-electing an impeached president soon. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-emergency-thread/843006.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-emergency-thread/843006.md?page=8)