# The Democrats will win their election **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 15, 2016, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652 "2016-10-15T22:43:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/41 "2016-10-16T21:54:44Z")
Ok so this “The Lord” of yours says “The democrats will win their election, but then comes the knife”…So Hillary wins, then has a steak to celebrate. Or spreads some cream cheese on a bagel. How tough was that? Why does the “election” part have to be literal, but the “knife” part metaphorical? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/42 "2016-10-16T21:59:45Z")
Does God want us to know about the knife, or not? If He does not, then why tell you anything? And if He does, why didn’t he make his meaning plainer? God is certainly capable of conveying clear meaning if He so chooses. > [@](#): > > Like St Paul … I’m in the race to win. After 31 years of following Him I just know His voice. I am an introvert not an extrovert. I would not shame Him. Familiarity might tell you that this is the same voice you’re hearing now that you’ve been hearing for 31 years. But how do you know that it hasn’t been someone other than God this whole time? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Quatro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bc8723/32.png) [@Mr\_Quatro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Quatro)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/43 "2016-10-16T23:31:08Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > How do you know it was the Lord and not Satan? Good is good and evil is evil … The spiritual gift of discernment is also known as the gift of “discernment of spirits” or “distinguishing between spirits.” > [@](#): > > The Holy Spirit gives the gift of discernment to enable certain Christians to clearly recognize and distinguish between the influence of God, Satan, the world, and the flesh in a given situation. [Spiritual Gift of Discernment](http://www.spiritualgiftstest.com/spiritual-gift-of-discernment) > [@JRDelirious](#): > > Understand that people are not going to make fun of the Lord, we’re going to make fun of _ **YOU** _ and the notion that you channel actual revelation. Yes, I understand … thank you. I had to go watch football, great day for football, rain so hard the satellite can’t stay up. So then I come back and see so many posts, mostly from unbelievers. No, to Wesley Clark … the OP does not have a history of psychotic mental illness. The message will speak for itself in the next coming weeks … whatever it is will be revealed soon and very soon. I won’t guess what the knife part means … I have been a little blind to Donald Trump’s recent problems giving excuses and saying, “Hey that was 11 years ago for the video/audio tape” and the women coming out of the wood work with negative testimonies about his hands up their skirts. Now I have to yield to God calling the plays as I always have had to do anyway. The DNC will win and then comes the 2nd part of the message. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/44 "2016-10-17T00:29:12Z")
Can you share the content of your last message from the Lord, before this one? What was it? Did it come to pass? What was the context? Perhaps if we were familiar with your other encounters, we’d have more confidence in this one. How many other such conversations with the lord have you experienced? Many? A few? Just this one? Can you share a little more perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![SpoilerVirgin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@SpoilerVirgin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpoilerVirgin)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/45 "2016-10-17T00:36:31Z")
I think the most obvious interpretation of this prophesy is that the Democrats will win the election, and that afterword the Republicans will wield whatever weapons are at their disposal to attack her and prevent the Democrats from achieving their aims. Not a particularly shocking revelation, and one that could be made by plenty of non-divine sources. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/46 "2016-10-17T00:46:01Z")
Maybe the knife cuts the strings on all the puppets in charge from their wealthy puppet masters? That the elected officials would finally be free to act their honest conscience and not act for the easy money or in the interests of maintaining the Robber Barons? Maybe its a sign that at some point money won’t buy what the people who have it think it will? (Any chance you can Email Him for a clarification…? I know I would… 😉 ) ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/47 "2016-10-17T00:50:42Z")
If, by some chance\*\*, Trump were to win - what would that do to your belief? **deal with satan, of course, but I think Hillary had him killed last year** ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/48 "2016-10-17T01:30:23Z")
> [@Mr\_Quatro](#): > > Good is good and evil is evil … The spiritual gift of discernment is also known as the gift of “discernment of spirits” or “distinguishing between spirits.” . . . Then why is Satan able to deceive multitudes, according to the Revelation to John? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/49 "2016-10-17T05:29:02Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Virtually every reply has been an insult to his religion. I notice you didn’t respond to any of them. Mine wasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![ganthet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de0a6/32.png) [@ganthet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ganthet)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/50 "2016-10-17T05:52:36Z")
> [@Mr\_Quatro](#): > > I wonder though what that means? A knife can cut things apart … a knife in the back perhaps? What does God need with a knife? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/51 "2016-10-17T05:53:27Z")
> [@Mr\_Quatro](#): > > Hillary talks to a imaginary friend Eleanor Roosevelt: [http://www.weekendcollective.com/hillary-clinton-talked-dead-people-7-insane-things-2016-presidential-candidates/](http://www.weekendcollective.com/hillary-clinton-talked-dead-people-7-insane-things-2016-presidential-candidates/) I don’t think Clinton thought she was _really_ talking to Roosevelt, though. It was probably more like “what would Eleanor Roosevelt, a heroine of mine, do in this situation? Can I make decisions that Eleanor Roosevelt would have found ethically acceptable?” > [@](#): > > Bill Clinton said back in 2012 during the dedication of Franklin D. Roosevelt Four Freedoms Park: I gather he was being a tad facetious. Anyway, you’ve had a vision of some kind, and I guess we’ll see if circumstances line up with it in some way, but even if there was a dramatic parallelism, i.e. Hillary is stabbed by a deranged person on or around January 20th, I’m not sure how you establish this being anything more than coincidence. If a “hit” for you is “something bad happens to or in America after January 20th, 2017”, well… bad stuff is _always_ happening to or in America. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/52 "2016-10-17T10:12:08Z")
> [@ganthet](#): > > What does God need with a knife? I think “knife” here is a metaphor for all cutlery. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/53 "2016-10-17T12:11:50Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > I think “knife” here is a metaphor for all cutlery. Ah. So after the election you can put a fork in the GOP! 🙂 Or then the GOP more completely gets sliced into separate pieces? Knife as a scalpel curing the body politic? No matter what happens the prophecy will be true! ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Quatro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bc8723/32.png) [@Mr\_Quatro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Quatro)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/54 "2016-10-17T14:41:50Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Then why is Satan able to deceive multitudes, according to the Revelation to John? Good question … It’s almost like you know the answer, because God the Father and God the Son (Jesus has received all authority and power in heaven and in the earth) gives Satan the right to deceive the peoples of the earth whose names have not been written in the Book of Life. Satan has not yet been cast down out of heaven, because when he is cast down he will be very angry and his time will be short. Jesus was our sacrifice on the cross way back in 30AD (1,986 years ago). Seven years or even 3 and 1/2 years is more like the time Satan will come down to do God’s will. God the Father wrote the book of Revelations and gave it to His son who gave it to his angel who in turn gave it to St John on the Greek Island of Patmos on the Sabbath day while he was in the spirit. > **[Revelation 1](https://netbible.org/bible/Revelation+1)** > > “For indeed the day is coming, burning like a furnace, and all the arrogant evildoers will be chaff. The coming day will burn them up,” says the Lord who rules over all. “It will not leave even a root or branch. But for you who respect my name, the... > [@](#): > > **Revelations 17:14** > They will make war with the Lamb, but the Lamb will conquer them, because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those accompanying the Lamb are the called, chosen, and faithful.” > > **Revelations 17:17** > For God has put into their minds to carry out his purpose by making a decision to give their royal power to the beast until the words of God are fulfilled. I have more, but I must be off to work. Hope this doesn’t bore you … Can we all agree that this is one crazy election year … something very big is fixing to happen. Whatever it is … I suspect that it has never happened before. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Quatro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bc8723/32.png) [@Mr\_Quatro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Quatro)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/55 "2016-10-17T15:02:18Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Does God want us to know about the knife, or not? If He does not, then why tell you anything? And if He does, why didn’t he make his meaning plainer? God is certainly capable of conveying clear meaning if He so chooses. > Familiarity might tell you that this is the same voice you’re hearing now that you’ve been hearing for 31 years. But how do you know that it hasn’t been someone other than God this whole time? Sampson talked in riddles … did you know that Sampson was predestined to defeat the Philistines. Jesus talked in parables knowing that only the chosen would understand the words that he spoke. \*\* St John 16:25-28 (Jesus said)\*\* > [@](#): > > “I have told you these things in obscure figures of speech; a time is coming when I will no longer speak to you in obscure figures, but will tell you plainly about the Father. The real reason is probably just God teasing us and the meaning of the knife will become clear to all of us after the election. > [@](#): > > But how do you know that it hasn’t been someone other than God this whole time? because God would rebuke me (correct me) if I did that. The devil is a deceiver, if the devil couldn’t deceive you he wouldn’t try. \*\* Hebrews 12:6 \*\* > [@](#): > > “For the Lord disciplines the one he loves and chastises every son he accepts.” ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/56 "2016-10-17T15:48:18Z")
A lot of charlatans who want people to think they can tell the future, when they really can’t, couch prophecies in vague metaphors that sound compelling and specific but in actuality are so friendly to interpretation that almost any outcome can appear to validate the prediction. I get why a charlatan would do that: they’re hiding their inability to predict the future. What I wonder is, why would an omniscient deity engage in exactly the same behavior as humans who are trying to scam other humans? Do you mind praying on that question? ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/57 "2016-10-17T15:58:35Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > I think “knife” here is a metaphor for all cutlery. Or Fran Drescher saying, “Oh, Mr. Sheffield”…? “We have reports of thousands of people’s ears simultaneously erupting in blood…” ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/58 "2016-10-17T16:00:25Z")
Well, the OP is wrong. I was talking to Jesus last night and he told me that The Great One Donald Trump was going to win the election. Apparently The Donald and The Jesus are best buddies. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Quatro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bc8723/32.png) [@Mr\_Quatro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Quatro)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/59 "2016-10-17T16:01:07Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > A lot of charlatans who want people to think they can tell the future, when they really can’t, couch prophecies in vague metaphors that sound compelling and specific but in actuality are so friendly to interpretation that almost any outcome can appear to validate the prediction. > > I get why a charlatan would do that: they’re hiding their inability to predict the future. What I wonder is, why would an omniscient deity engage in exactly the same behavior as humans who are trying to scam other humans? > > Do you mind praying on that question? Prayer is seeking God’s perfect will … I accept your question and have submitted it in prayer, but I am not a con artist, swindler or a charlatan. I did sell time-shares in Galveston back in the 80’s before I became a Christian, but I never lied to anyone. 🙂 I had to look it up though:[Charlatan - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlatan) > [@](#): > > A charlatan (also called swindler or mountebank) is a person practising quackery or some similar confidence trick in order to obtain money, fame or other advantages via some form of pretense or deception. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/60 "2016-10-17T17:34:49Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Apparently The Donald and The Jesus are best buddies. Jesus: So, Donald–why don’t you ever ask for forgiveness from your sins? Trump: Well, I drink my little wine and I eat my little cracker, I guess that is a form of asking for forgiveness. Jesus: Donald, do you know what the cracker and wine represent? Trump: …Of course I know what they represent. Look, Jesus, nobody’s a better Christian than I am, I can tell you that. Nobody. I know more about the wine and crackers than anyone. Believe me. Jesus: But, I am the Christ. I– Trump: Excuse me. The wine–I don’t usually drink wine. And the crackers are so small and so bland–you should do something about that. You know what’s great? Trump Steaks. They’re yuge. Jesus: _-rolls eyes-_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652.md?page=4)