# The Democrats will win their election **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 15, 2016, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652 "2016-10-15T22:43:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/61 "2016-10-17T17:54:51Z")
I don’t understand how you can receive the literal word of God and still claim not to be a prophet. That’s the _definition_ of “prophet”. Do you doubt what you heard, or who you heard it from? Or do you disagree with the definition of “prophet”? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/62 "2016-10-17T18:03:44Z")
> [@Mr\_Quatro](#): > > Prayer is seeking God’s perfect will … I accept your question and have submitted it in prayer, but I am not a con artist, swindler or a charlatan. No, no–I’m not saying you’re using charlatan methods. Accepting as a given that God actually is talking with you, I’m just pointing out that God is using the same prophecy dodges that charlatans traditionally use. Charlatans use them to avoid being caught up in their ignorance about the future. Why would God do so? IOW, if you’re correct, God is acting mighty like a charlatan. Why? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Quatro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bc8723/32.png) [@Mr\_Quatro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Quatro)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/63 "2016-10-17T18:58:04Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > No, no–I’m not saying you’re using charlatan methods. Accepting as a given that God actually is talking with you, I’m just pointing out that God is using the same prophecy dodges that charlatans traditionally use. Charlatans use them to avoid being caught up in their ignorance about the future. Why would God do so? > > IOW, if you’re correct, God is acting mighty like a charlatan. Why? I don’t know why … Perhaps to point someone in the right direction, induce someone to believe, some to pray, to show that God is in charge of the future. The Book of Revelations is a script so to speak, a script that God the Father wrote and the end will be produced and directed by His son Jesus. Pray what God would have you to do about the answer … God doesn’t do anything without prayer. If He needs prayer He will induce it. Jesus said that “heaven and earth would pass away, but that His word is forever” ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/64 "2016-10-17T19:15:49Z")
> [@Mr\_Quatro](#): > > I don’t know why … Perhaps to point someone in the right direction, induce someone to believe, some to pray, to show that God is in charge of the future. Okay, but see, that doesn’t explain God’s actions here. If the aim was to induce someone to believe, God could say something like, “At 7:23 this evening, look out your window. You will see a squirrel run across your yard and stop under the maple tree. A hawk will swoop down and pick up the squirrel. Go post this on Facebook right now, and then at 7:23 set up a live feed.” That’d be very difficult for a charlatan to do, but trivially easy for an omniscient God to do. The thing God said to you–“Democrats will win the election, but then comes comes the knife”–combines a trivial prediction (one born out by stats) with a very vague prophecy (one that can be interpreted correctly no matter what happens). This is the sort of prophecy that’s trivially easy for a charlatan to make. Here, watch me: just as God made his prophecy to you, I’ll make mine. _Trump Will Win Wyoming. But after he wins, the Mothers Will Cry._ Boom–a prophecy that combines obviousness and vagueness in the same exact way God did. I’m making that kind of prophecy because I can’t see the future. Why is God? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/65 "2016-10-17T19:24:00Z")
> [@Mr\_Quatro](#): > > I don’t know why … Perhaps to point someone in the right direction, induce someone to believe, some to pray, to show that God is in charge of the future. > > The Book of Revelations is a script so to speak, a script that God the Father wrote and the end will be produced and directed by His son Jesus. > > Pray what God would have you to do about the answer … God doesn’t do anything without prayer. If He needs prayer He will induce it. > > Jesus said that “heaven and earth would pass away, but that His word is forever” Have you considered the possibility that you might have been tricked, misinformed, or suffering from some sort of delusion? Considering all the people out there that claim divine communication, one of these possibilities (as well as deliberate deception) seems like the most likely explanation for a given instance of a claim of communication from a divine being. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/66 "2016-10-17T21:16:43Z")
The suggestion that the experience perceived as literally hearing God speak to you (to give enigmatic political commentary or otherwise) might be a sign of serious psychiatric illness has been declared a slam and is off limits in this thread. The question of “Is sharing your belief that you have literally heard God speak witnessing or psychosis?” is however still of interest to me at least and maybe a few others. Hence [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19708206#post19708206) IMHO thread for those of us who want to explore that general subject (not specific to our op). ---
**Author:** ![buddha\_david](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee7513/32.png) [@buddha\_david](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buddha_david)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/67 "2016-10-17T22:07:18Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Have you considered the possibility that you might have been tricked, misinformed, or suffering from some sort of delusion? Of course he’s not. There’s only two possible outcomes: (1) The OP’s “prophecy” comes true as described, which proves his God is true and correct. Or, (2) the prophecy doesn’t happen, which only proves that God is testing the OP’s faith. There’s no losing scenario for him here. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/68 "2016-10-18T01:04:32Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Okay, but see, that doesn’t explain God’s actions here. If the aim was to induce someone to believe, God could say something like, “At 7:23 this evening, look out your window. You will see a squirrel run across your yard and stop under the maple tree. A hawk will swoop down and pick up the squirrel. Go post this on Facebook right now, and then at 7:23 set up a live feed.” > > That’d be very difficult for a charlatan to do, but trivially easy for an omniscient God to do. Xcept, to be fair, the God in question here as usually understood does not do parlour tricks on demand. And it is sort of well established that not only this God but many other gods do make it a habit to be… oblique, shall we say, when sending messages (“If ye attack, a mighty kingdom shall fall”). So if we are not to question the reality of this sort of revelation, then it’s not that God’s messengers act like charlatans, but charlatans act like we’re told God’s messengers used to. In any case, by their fruits ye shall know them, it says. Be that as it may, where the OP’s witness fails to gain traction is that from where I and multitudes of others stand, _based on purely terrenal observation and thought_, it \*already \*looks like whatever the result of the election there almost certainly _will be_ some kind or another of divisive turmoil afterward, plus many of us estimate the Democrat is most likely to win. So the “prophecy” does not strike us as a revelation of something beyond Man’s vision. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Quatro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bc8723/32.png) [@Mr\_Quatro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Quatro)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/69 "2016-10-18T02:52:06Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > Can you share the content of your last message from the Lord, before this one? > > What was it? Did it come to pass? What was the context? Perhaps if we were familiar with your other encounters, we’d have more confidence in this one. > > How many other such conversations with the lord have you experienced? Many? A few? Just this one? > > Can you share a little more perhaps? I just saw this post … does the OP have to answer every poster or can you cherry pick the ones you want to answer? After 3 and 1/2 years I’m still learning my way around here. > [@](#): > > Can you share the content of your last message from the Lord, before this one? I think it’s in the bible, “Don’t kill the messanger” The last non personal message was this: _“Hamas will hurt Israel so bad it will shock the world”_ No, it didn’t come to pass yet, but their enemies are a little busy right now. I suspect May 2018 and the 70th year of statehood for Israel will produce something like that. > [@](#): > > How many other such conversations with the lord have you experienced? Many? A few? Just this one? No, not just this one … many more, but mostly like this one and the last one, short and to the point … not a lot of explanation of when or why. The first message has also not come to pass … and I’m not sure I want it to come to pass: I was on my knees reading my bible in the back of my trailer in an orange grove in Southern California when an angel said, **“Would you like to have something to pray for”?** I of course said, “Yes” and then the message came, \* “A large star will fall on North Dakota”\* I prayed for what seemed a long time, but it really wasn’t and after I thought I had prayed for North Dakota and everyone in North Dakota. The Lord reminded me that I had not prayed for all of the baby doctors and the babies. So I had to go back into my prayer closet so to speak and intercede for them. So now what do you want … Do I talk to God? Only in prayer. Does God talk to me? In His word and like this message when he wants to use me to stir you up. Yes, I said stir you up … this prophecy will come to pass and it will stir you up for I have heard that whatever this is … it has never happened before. Prophecy is a funny thing if you call your self a prophet. They seem like big important people to me and I am not a big important person. > **[What is humility in the Bible? (Or "What is Humility"?) The Bible Shows the...](https://www.dougbrittonbooks.com/onlinebiblestudies-selfworthandrespect/meaningofhumilityinthebible-humbleinbible/)** > > What is humility? Humility, or being humble, does not mean being a doormat. The meaning of humility in the Bible is not one of groveling in front of others. > [@](#): > > Many people have the wrong idea about God, the Bible and humility, or being humble. They think being humble means groveling in front of others or thinking we’re no good and others are better. > > That’'s not what the Bible says. God says when you are humble, you are free from pride and arrogance. You know that in your flesh you are inadequate, yet you also know who you are in Christ. > > You don’t need to defend yourself when you understand what the Bible says about humility, for you know who you are in Christ. You can be a peacemaker without needing to fight for your rights. You can walk humbly in the power of the Holy Spirit, not in your own strength. True humility is when you enjoy doing things the Lords way. I enjoy doing things the Lords way. We still have three weeks till the election and now that it is clear to me that the DNC will win instead of the GOP I am not so excited. I can’t even look at Donald Trump anymore. I can see the future is up to God now. It doesn’t mean that Hillary Clinton is going to make it all the way to the white house either though. Whatever the knife part means will be revealed after the election … I know it’s going to happen and we will continue this debate in the light of that revelation. Ya’ll can guess what it means, but I get in trouble if it’s not from God. What is the debate forum about … is it about the message or the messenger? > **[Messenger Meaning - Bible Definition and References](https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/messenger/)** > > Discover the meaning of Messenger in the Bible. Study the definition of Messenger with multiple Bible Dictionaries and Encyclopedias and find scripture references in the Old and New Testaments. > [@](#): > > The regular Hebrew word for “messenger” is mal’akh, the Greek aggelos. This may be a human messenger or a messenger of God, an angel. I would like to answer more of you, but my time online is limited. I think it’s in the Bible somewhere, “Don’t kill the messenger” ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/70 "2016-10-18T03:11:00Z")
Can this “The Lord” create an election so unpredictable that even he can’t rig it? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/71 "2016-10-18T03:13:31Z")
So, in other words, NONE of your prophecies has come true? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/72 "2016-10-18T03:48:23Z")
Has anyone asked Nostradamus for his opinion, yet? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/73 "2016-10-18T04:18:04Z")
**Mr Quatro** , Certainly you are under no obligation to answer any questions. But if you care to I am curious - Do you believe that your life is _for the better_ as a result of your having heard these messages? Or have they made your life more difficult in some ways? Has sharing these messages in real life helped you form friendships or isolated you? If some disaster did occur in North Dakota that you could somehow see as being consistent with the message of “a star will fall” - even if it was not the interpretation you initially had - would you feel personal responsibility for your prayers of intercession having been insufficient? How often have the messages been about you, what people think about you, or what people are going to do regarding you? Do you think there is something you should do to prepare for “the knife”? Thank you for your answers if you chose to and no worries if you do not. Take care. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Quatro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bc8723/32.png) [@Mr\_Quatro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Quatro)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/74 "2016-10-18T04:26:39Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > So, in other words, NONE of your prophecies has come true? Yes, many have come true, but it would be vain of me to disclose them. They’re under audit so to speak lol > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Has anyone asked Nostradamus for his opinion, yet? While your at it ask him what the stock market is going to do after she wins the election? If Hillary should stumble that is? By the way I am one of those ex-Trump supporters they are talking about over in that other thread about, “What should we do about Trump supporters”? I can see clearly now and I feel so dumb having been one. Love is truly blind … I can see all of his mistakes now. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/75 "2016-10-18T11:37:53Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Xcept, to be fair, the God in question here as usually understood does not do parlour tricks on demand. And it is sort of well established that not only this God but many other gods do make it a habit to be… oblique, shall we say, when sending messages (“If ye attack, a mighty kingdom shall fall”). So if we are not to question the reality of this sort of revelation, then it’s not that God’s messengers act like charlatans, but charlatans act like we’re told God’s messengers used to. I disagree–this sort of prediction is **exactly** what a “parlour trick” is. That is, it’s something any halfway competent magician or charlatan can do: combining portentious vague predictions with the bleedin’ obvious is their stock in trade. Suggesting that charlatans make this sort of prophecy in order to sound like Gods is odd, given the implication that they could do better if they wanted to. They can’t. The reason they make this sort of prediction is because it’s the best they can do. I agree that this is the sort of prediction Gods are famous for, no doubt. The question is, again, **why**? Why, if God or Gods are omniscient, do they stoop to parlour tricks? What purpose does it serve to mimic charlatans? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/76 "2016-10-18T17:26:50Z")
> [@Mr\_Quatro](#): > > By the way I am one of those ex-Trump supporters they are talking about over in that other thread about, “What should we do about Trump supporters”? > > I can see clearly now and I feel so dumb having been one. Love is truly blind … I can see all of his mistakes now. Really? Which particular “mistake” finally made you see the light? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Quatro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bc8723/32.png) [@Mr\_Quatro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Quatro)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/77 "2016-10-18T17:59:27Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Really? Which particular “mistake” finally made you see the light? The one where Donald Trump said that the Border Patrol was going to let all of the illegal’s cross over on election day so they could vote. Fuzzy describes Trump’s brain to believe that one, plus many more that I over looked, but not that one. [QUOTE=Left Hand of Dorkness] I agree that this is the sort of prediction Gods are famous for, no doubt. The question is, again, why? Why, if God or Gods are omniscient, do they stoop to parlour tricks? What purpose does it serve to mimic charlatans? [/QUOTE] I can see where you really are trying to understand. If you had of been there in Israel when Jesus said, “This temple will be destroyed and in three days it will rise up again” Would you have understood that Jesus meant himself? God (not Gods) is omniscient, all powerful, all knowing and all present. He is the most high God, but why He does what He does is not available for explanation. God’s ways are not our ways and God’s thoughts are not our thoughts (that’s in the NT) Just think how many languages God must know and listen to everyday, plus He is very busy. God lives in the heart of every believer. His Word in the Bible is the best way to understand God and His son Jesus. Jesus saw that his disciples were arguing over who would be the greatest in the Kingdom of heaven. Jesus called over a small child playing nearby and said, “See this little child”? They all looked at him with suspicion and Jesus said, “Unless you be converted and be like this small child … you will not even see the Kingdom of heaven”. “But if you will be humble like this little child then you will be the greatest in the Kingdom of heaven”. What did the little boy do? He didn’t do anything all he did was come over and with big eyes look up and say, “Yes sir” That’s all Jesus wants us to do just be humble and say, “Yes sir” ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/78 "2016-10-18T18:29:10Z")
> [@Mr\_Quatro](#): > > I don’t like it, but I’ve just received a word from the Lord (please don’t make fun of the Lord) that the Democrats will win the next election. > > The exact word of knowledge was simply this: “The democrats will win their election, but then comes the knife”. > > I don’t understand the part about the knife and I don’t like to add anything when the Lord gives these words of knowledge. I’m no prophet … just a normal nobody. > > I wonder though what that means? A knife can cut things apart … a knife in the back perhaps? > > Some revelation that would’ve kept her from being elected, perhaps? > > Does this mean Hillary won’t be partaking in the inauguration Friday, January 20th, 2017? > > If it is about Hillary’s health … Trump couldn’t do anything about it that’s for sure even if he took it to the supreme court. > > I have had these words in the past … not all the time, but they have always been right so far. > > So have fun with it or what you will … I am not into any vain glory. > > Sort of sad in a way … I thought Donald Trump still had a chance. The knife is to cut the cake. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/79 "2016-10-18T18:33:18Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > How do you know it was the Lord and not Satan? Because it was neither from a deleted email or a 3 am tweet 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652/80 "2016-10-18T18:34:53Z")
You’re fighting the hypothetical, **LHOD** – the charlatans can do no better AND the established pattern for “gods” IS to be opaque and most often get a-posteriori interpretation to make the prophecy look right. So based purely on the observable, in a vacuum so to speak, you could not tell. Now, we do not function in an information vacuum, so by Occam’s razor a prophecy that is too vague to falsify, or just a bloody obvious reading of the trends before our eyes, we will dismiss as not Revelation but mere intuition, at best. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-democrats-will-win-their-election/768652.md?page=5)