# The descendants of Mick Jagger **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [December 9, 2016, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-descendants-of-mick-jagger/774244 "2016-12-09T00:30:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Hooleehootoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/eada6e/32.png) [@Hooleehootoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hooleehootoo)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-descendants-of-mick-jagger/774244/1 "2016-12-09T00:30:42Z")
On Dec 8. a son was born to Melanie Hamrick and (lacking any indication to the contrary and reported as such) Mick Jagger. In 2014, Jagger’s daughter Jade Sheena Jezebel Jagger became a grandmother, making Sir Michael a great-grandfather. Who is the last (well-known ?) person to have a son younger than a great-grandson? Is **well-known** necessary? Is it likely that several/hundreds/thousands of men in the U.S. currently fit this category? ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-descendants-of-mick-jagger/774244/2 "2016-12-09T00:35:23Z")
I immediately thought of Tony Randall, who married his second wife when he was 75 and she was 25 (he had been widowed a few years earlier); they had two children together. But, apparently, though he and his first wife were married for over 50 years (they married when he was 18), they didn’t have any children. ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-descendants-of-mick-jagger/774244/3 "2016-12-09T01:55:14Z")
No idea as to the last, but any question regarding recent human fecundity usually has [Ibn Saud (1875–1953)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descendants_of_Ibn_Saud#Great-grandchildren)as a candidate. With almost 100 children and a thousand grandchildren all sorts of possibilities occur. He would have had two patrilineal great-grandsons born during his life: Abdullah bin Faisal bin Turki (born 1945) and Faisal bin Muhammad bin Saud (born 1951) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-descendants-of-mick-jagger/774244/4 "2016-12-09T02:36:41Z")
Reading that list of grandchildren is a hoot. You go down the list, and it names the occupation or accomplishment of each person: Governor, Businessman, Chairman, President… and then you get to: Saud bin Abdulaziz bin Nasser Al Saud (born 1977) – Convicted murderer. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-descendants-of-mick-jagger/774244/5 "2016-12-09T03:04:50Z")
A play straight out of the British Admiralty’s handbook: [QUOTE= Voltaire’s “Candide”] “In this country, it is wise to kill an admiral from time to time to encourage the others.” [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-descendants-of-mick-jagger/774244/6 "2016-12-09T03:18:37Z")
Nitpick: Mick Jagger has a great-granddaughter. That doesn’t invalidate the question, though. We can change it to, “Who is the last (well-known ?) person to have a child younger than a great-grandchild?” ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-descendants-of-mick-jagger/774244/7 "2016-12-09T04:25:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **penultimate thule** : > > No idea as to the last, but any question regarding recent human fecundity usually has Ibn Saud (1875–1953) as a candidate. With almost 100 children and a thousand grandchildren all sorts of possibilities occur. And at least one son born in 1952, the short-lived Jiwuli (II), so he would meet the criterion of having a son younger than a great-grandson. There might be a few more, but it’s tough to search through that huge list, and it’s not even complete. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-descendants-of-mick-jagger/774244/8 "2016-12-09T05:01:38Z")
One of my good friends, an otherwise not so unusual tech guy here in Silicon Valley, has 3 grandchildren and a son who is younger than all the grandchildren. So that’s not “great-grandchildren”, but if this regular guy comes pretty close to what the OP is talking about, it shouldn’t be all that uncommon. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-descendants-of-mick-jagger/774244/9 "2016-12-10T23:17:58Z")
There’s nothing really biologically interesting to this in regards to a man, given how long men remain able to reproduce, but has there ever been a woman with a great grand child older than one of her children? That would be much more notable. I’m sure there have been instances of women with a grandchild older than a child, but great grandchild certainly must be pushing the limits pretty hard. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-descendants-of-mick-jagger/774244/10 "2016-12-10T23:44:31Z")
Anthony Quinn the actor had 10 children, the first born in 1938 and the last, a son, born in 1996 when he was 81 years old. I should imagine that he too had a son who was younger than his great grandson. ---
**Author:** ![Dana\_Scully](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5daacb/32.png) [@Dana\_Scully](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dana_Scully)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2016, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-descendants-of-mick-jagger/774244/11 "2016-12-16T15:51:46Z")
who know, who cares? every other man on the planet can do the same thing so being able to produce children is pretty commonplace. I sure hope he has a lot of life insurance, though; those kids are going to need it; and maybe DNA tests wouldn’t be such a bad idea either. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2016, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-descendants-of-mick-jagger/774244/12 "2016-12-16T18:33:21Z")
> [@Dana\_Scully](#): > > who know, who cares? every other man on the planet can do the same thing so being able to produce children is pretty commonplace. > > I sure hope he has a lot of life insurance, though; those kids are going to need it; and maybe DNA tests wouldn’t be such a bad idea either. Mick Jagger is worth $360 million. I don’t think his family needs to worry after he’s gone. ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2016, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-descendants-of-mick-jagger/774244/13 "2016-12-16T19:03:27Z")
ever see modern family ? the head of the family played by ed o neil has a child that’s younger than any of his grandkids (even though the youngest is adopted ) and apparently its a noticeable sociological trend which is why they did it on the show what would make it remarkable these days is if it was done with the first wife instead of the second… ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2016, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-descendants-of-mick-jagger/774244/14 "2016-12-16T19:08:20Z")
> [@Dana\_Scully](#): > > who know, who cares? every other man on the planet can do the same thing so being able to produce children is pretty commonplace. **Moderator Note** If you don’t know, and don’t care, there’s no need to respond to a thread in General Questions. No warning issued, but if you can’t contribute, don’t threadshit. Colibri General Questions Moderator ---
**Author:** ![Hooleehootoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/eada6e/32.png) [@Hooleehootoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hooleehootoo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2016, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-descendants-of-mick-jagger/774244/15 "2016-12-16T22:54:34Z")
Some replies are missing the large jump between grandparent and great-grandparent. Sure, it is commonplace to see 3 generations with less than 20 years separating each. But for that next one, you have somebody 55-90 y.o. having sex with a woman who is still fertile, and willing to get pregnant. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2016, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-descendants-of-mick-jagger/774244/16 "2016-12-16T23:18:04Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > There’s nothing really biologically interesting to this in regards to a man, given how long men remain able to reproduce, but has there ever been a woman with a great grand child older than one of her children? That would be much more notable. I’m sure there have been instances of women with a grandchild older than a child, but great grandchild certainly must be pushing the limits pretty hard. I’ve personally known several women who got pregnant in their 40s, after having at least one grandchild. These were usually perimenopausal surprises. It would be extremely unlikely for a great-grandmother to give birth, unless they had generations of 15 years or less. ---
**Author:** ![md2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/73ab20/32.png) [@md2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/md2000)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-descendants-of-mick-jagger/774244/17 "2016-12-17T05:26:21Z")
Larry King: > [@](#): > > King has been married eight times, to seven women.[93] He married high-school sweetheart Freda Miller in 1951 at age 18.[94] That union ended the following year at the behest of their parents, who reportedly had the youngsters’ marriage annulled.[94] King was later briefly married to Annette Kaye[94] who gave birth to his son, **Larry Jr., in November 1961.** King did not meet Larry Jr. until the son was in his thirties.[95] Larry Jr. and his wife, Shannon, have three children.[93] > … > In 1997, he married his seventh wife, Shawn Southwick, born in 1959[100][101] as Shawn Ora Engemann,[100] a singer, actress, and TV host,[102] in King’s Los Angeles, California, hospital room three days before King underwent heart surgery to clear a clogged blood vessel.[101] The couple have two children: Chance, born March 1999, and **Cannon, born May 2000** No details on his subsequent children, but a man born in 1961 could have grandchildren by 2000 when he was 39 - although it would be a be unusual. (I worked with a woman who was a grandmother at 35 -only because her daughter waited until she was 18.) ---
**Author:** ![md2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/73ab20/32.png) [@md2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/md2000)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-descendants-of-mick-jagger/774244/18 "2016-12-17T05:42:10Z")
based on this - > **[Home - Hella+](https://www.hihella.com/blog/)** > > A financial and lifestyle brand for people who are redefining what it means to grow older and are looking forward to what’s next …grandfather of five and great-grandfather of two; the comments seem to date this to 2012. So probably not OP material. But close. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-descendants-of-mick-jagger/774244/19 "2016-12-17T07:41:40Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > There’s nothing really biologically interesting to this in regards to a man, given how long men remain able to reproduce, but has there ever been a woman with a great grand child older than one of her children? That would be much more notable. I’m sure there have been instances of women with a grandchild older than a child, but great grandchild certainly must be pushing the limits pretty hard. There are some interesting genealogies where I live (though I’m unaware of even a single case of incestuous birth), and I can almost come a little bit close to that: We have two elderly neighbors who are sisters. Call their long-deceased mother Mrs. A. Mrs. A had a daughter’s son who, if he were still alive, would be only a few years older than Mrs. A’s daughter’s daughter-in-law’s daughter’s daughter! (Yes, I had to cheat, using the descendants from an earlier marriage of Mrs A’s granddaughter-in-law.) These kids used to play next to my house. I used to joke that the one was supposed to call the other “Grandpa!” ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-descendants-of-mick-jagger/774244/20 "2016-12-17T07:55:28Z")
> [@nightshadea](#): > > what would make it remarkable these days is if it was done with the first wife instead of the second… Yeah, my grandmother was slightly older than her Uncle and there was no remarriage, just two early marriages and one late in life “surprise”. ETA: I take it back, only one early marriage, granny’s granny had her daughter at 19 and her youngest son at 48. Looking at the dates my grandmother was born when her Mum was 25. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-descendants-of-mick-jagger/774244.md?page=2)