# The dipshit at the end of Rudy's testimony **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 19, 2004, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dipshit-at-the-end-of-rudys-testimony/245970 "2004-05-19T14:54:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2004, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dipshit-at-the-end-of-rudys-testimony/245970/1 "2004-05-19T14:54:48Z")
Allright, I’m going with the obligatory “long-hair hippie witha ponytail” moniker on this asswipe. Too soon, to have a cite, but I trust anyone that follows the news will read/hear of it soon. At the end of Guiliani’s questioning, your typical pony-tail wearing Village-type guy stands to shout his opinion. I thought I was in some sort of live-action Pit site. This guy apparently lost some indetermined relatives to 9/11, and was pissed. At the conclusion (almost, how rude) of Rudy’s questioning he demanded to have 2 minutes to question Rudy on the day of 9/11. It was obvious he was torqued as he kept screaming “3,000 killed!” even though about 12 minutes earlier it was pointed out that 2600 were killed, including the passengers and shitbag terrorists. What chaffed my balls was that he wanted to question Rudy, \*\*_and not the terrorists reponsible!_ \*\* I can see grief getting the best of you, hell I was arrested the day after my mom died because I knew the head of the hospital was responsible for her death and I stood in his office swearing I was going to kill him right there. But fuck, it was almost 3 years ago. Everyone else forgot who did it, can’t you just blame Bush? Bad, bad, bad hippie! No brownies for you. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2004, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dipshit-at-the-end-of-rudys-testimony/245970/2 "2004-05-19T15:09:35Z")
The testimony was remarkable (Yes, I get it live on my TV here). They protester was a jerk. I wonder if he was really in some way related to a person killed on 9-11? Not that even that would be an excuse for his rudeness. ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2004, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dipshit-at-the-end-of-rudys-testimony/245970/3 "2004-05-19T17:05:15Z")
The protester was also _right_. The fire and police dept.'s had since the 1993 bombing to get their acts together and get radios which worked, and they didn’t—which caused a lot of unecessary deaths. In addition to heroism, there were a lot of screw-ups that day. Oh, and as we learned during the blackout last summer, NYC _still_ has no emergency evacuation plans in place. _None_. There we were, 30,000 of us, jammed at the West Side Piers, waiting for boats that never came, mumbling, “ummm, they’ve had two years to get their asses in gear . . .” ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2004, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dipshit-at-the-end-of-rudys-testimony/245970/4 "2004-05-19T17:33:14Z")
> [@Eve](#): > > Oh, and as we learned during the blackout last summer, NYC _still_ has no emergency evacuation plans in place. _None_. The plan is get the fuck out of dodge, avoid the post apocalyptic style roving gangs, and eviscerate anyone who gets in your way. ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2004, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dipshit-at-the-end-of-rudys-testimony/245970/5 "2004-05-19T17:50:46Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > The plan is get the fuck out of dodge, avoid the post apocalyptic style roving gangs, and eviscerate anyone who gets in your way. Oh, darling, I’ve been eviscerating anyone who got in my way for _years_. The trouble is “getting the fuck out of Dodge.” I’m not about to swim the Hudson in my Agnès b. linen frock, so I wound up hitch-hiking through the Lincoln Tunnel (!) and was damn lucky to get a ride. Next disaster, should I survive, I know it’s everyone for herself—I’ll justy curl up under a tree in Central Park and pretend it’s the Depression. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2004, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dipshit-at-the-end-of-rudys-testimony/245970/6 "2004-05-19T20:07:30Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > What chaffed my balls was that he wanted to question Rudy, \*\*_and not the terrorists reponsible!_ \*\* Not to defend the protester, but maybe he didn’t want to question the terrorists because they weren’t there? 😉 **Eve** brings up some good points about the lack of NYC emergency preparations, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2004, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dipshit-at-the-end-of-rudys-testimony/245970/7 "2004-05-19T20:16:16Z")
Previous to Mr “Hippie” (he had a ponytail and was over 30) there was a woma, holding a sign that said “fiction” that started shrieking. The only word I could make out was Motorola. So, what? Now we have Bush, Rudy, NYPD, FDNY, _ **and** _ Motorola to blame? Look, I can sympathize with those that lost family members. I can see the rage they feel. Look at my OP again. But who the fuck else are we going to blame before realizing, as we did on 12 Sep 2001 (for non merkins 😉 ) that it wasn’t us?!? It was a sample of a group that hates us. And will do nothing but plot America’s, and more widely, democracy’s, demise. But these people just rub me wrong. The same people that want Congressional hearings into the matter have no problem with disrupting said hearings, demanding to ask their own questions. I, for one, will vote for Bush in Nov. I did also in 2000. Will I vote to reelect because he’s the best man for the job? No, I’ll vote for him because he’s the lesser of two evils. Guiliani in '08! ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2004, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dipshit-at-the-end-of-rudys-testimony/245970/8 "2004-05-19T20:20:10Z")
> [@Eve](#): > > Oh, darling, I’ve been eviscerating anyone who got in my way for _years_. The trouble is “getting the fuck out of Dodge.” I’m not about to swim the Hudson in my Agnès b. linen frock, so I wound up hitch-hiking through the Lincoln Tunnel (!) and was damn lucky to get a ride. Next disaster, should I survive, I know it’s everyone for herself—I’ll justy curl up under a tree in Central Park and pretend it’s the Depression. Well, hopefully nothing will happen. \ ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2004, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dipshit-at-the-end-of-rudys-testimony/245970/9 "2004-05-19T20:37:51Z")
> [@Eve](#): > > Next disaster, should I survive, I know it’s everyone for herself—I’ll justy curl up under a tree in Central Park and pretend it’s the Depression. That is exactly right. It is therefore _your_ responsibility to get trained on how to either safely evacuate or “Shelter In Place” if necessary, and be prepared to do so. The bottom line is, there are simply not enough emergency personnel, nor will there _ever_ be, to rescue every single person in the event of a disaster. I just posted a reply in the other thread on this subject, so I won’t repeat myself, but please do go [read it](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=4876387&postcount=7) and go get some training so you aren’t so frustrated and unprepared if there’s ever a next time. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2004, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dipshit-at-the-end-of-rudys-testimony/245970/10 "2004-05-19T20:46:52Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > Well, hopefully nothing will happen. \ Crossing your fingers and hoping are not going to save your ass in the event of an emergency. Go get [CERT](http://training.fema.gov/EMIWeb/CERT/overview.asp)ified! > [@](#): > > Following a major disaster, first responders who provide fire and medical services will not be able to meet the demand for these services. Factors as number of victims, communication failures, and road blockages will prevent people from accessing emergency services they have come to expect at a moment’s notice through 911. People will have to rely on each other for help in order to meet their immediate life saving and life sustaining needs. > > One also expects that under these kinds of conditions, family members, fellow employees, and neighbors will spontaneously try to help each other. This was the case following the Mexico City earthquake where untrained, spontaneous volunteers saved 800 people. However, 100 people lost their lives while attempting to save others. This is a high price to pay and is preventable through training. > > If we can predict that emergency services will not meet immediate needs following a major disaster, especially if there is no warning as in an earthquake, and people will spontaneously volunteer, what can government do to prepare citizens for this eventuality? > > First, present citizens the facts about what to expect following a major disaster in terms of immediate services. Second, give the message about their responsibility for mitigation and preparedness. Third, train them in needed life saving skills with emphasis on decision making skills, rescuer safety, and doing the greatest good for the greatest number. Fourth, organize teams so that they are an extension of first responder services offering immediate help to victims until professional services arrive. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2004, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dipshit-at-the-end-of-rudys-testimony/245970/11 "2004-05-19T21:08:04Z")
Oh, one more thought. Was thinking of opening a thread on this, but why not condense? For the hamsters’ sake? Can we get Bob Kerrey to tell us the next method of attack? He seemed almost pissed that Rudy didn’t know that planes would crash into the towers. As if anyone on 10 Sep 2001 and before ever conceived that tactic. What next Bob? What could possibly happen next? Cars driving into the waters being held by the Hoover Dam? Planes flying into the state capitol of Wyoming? A suicide/homicide bomber strolling into a mall in Lexington, KY? C’mon Bobby. You have the benefit of almost _3 years_ to look back and tell people in charge how they should have done it. Fuck it, I now hold Bob Kerrey responsible for any and all terrorist attacks on US soil. He seems to know best, so he should stop holding out on how to handle unimaginable scenarios, and just _tell us how to stop them!_ John Kerrey :wally ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2004, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dipshit-at-the-end-of-rudys-testimony/245970/12 "2004-05-19T21:15:24Z")
Good points **Shayna**. If I’m not too busy looting, some skills to help others may come in handy. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![capacitor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@capacitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capacitor)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2004, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dipshit-at-the-end-of-rudys-testimony/245970/13 "2004-05-19T21:30:55Z")
I saw the protester while watching the hearing. He did say that he was a relative of a firefighter who died in 9/11. He was more angry at the committee being relatively light on questioning Giuliani than anything else. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2004, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dipshit-at-the-end-of-rudys-testimony/245970/14 "2004-05-19T21:38:59Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > Good points **Shayna**. > > If I’m not too busy looting, some skills to help others may come in handy. 😛 Well how the heck else do you plan on being able to get your looted booty out of there, huh, Mr.? If you don’t know how to evacuate after an emergency, you’ll never be able to get away with the goods! Then, if you ever do get rescued, you’ll just have to come to _my_ house to find all the stuff you wish you could’ve been prepared to loot. Only I might not be so willing to share. So there! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2004, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dipshit-at-the-end-of-rudys-testimony/245970/15 "2004-05-19T21:44:01Z")
> [@capacitor](#): > > I saw the protester while watching the hearing. He did say that he was a relative of a firefighter who died in 9/11. He was more angry at the committee being relatively light on questioning Giuliani than anything else. And here’s where I get confused on the commission, admittedly. Is the commission there to get answers on how to better respond to these attacks (which Timothy all but guaranteed), or are they there to find someone to blame? As I said, I understand the rage, but it was not Rudy’s fault, nor the FDNY, nor theNYPD, nor Bush, nor Clinton, nor CIA, nor FBI, nor the aliens, nor the tin-foil-hat wearers, nor the left-wing paramilitaristic donkey sackers. This was about a culture that wants to kill each and every one of us. Yes, UK’ers, you too. Yes, Aussie’s, you too. Yes liberals, you too. Yes, conservatives, you too. Yes, French, you too. Greeks, Russians, Japanese, Isrealites, Indians, Pakastanis, Indonesians, Brazilians, Argentenians, Spaniards, Portugese. And guess what. Iraqi’s, too!!! I’m hoping the commission tries to use the info they have to integrate it into a workable system to deal with the future attacks we face. (“We” being all of us sane types). But I fear that it is all just a witch hunt so we can find someone to point the finger at. And fuck all if you bring up who did it. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2004, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dipshit-at-the-end-of-rudys-testimony/245970/16 "2004-05-19T22:27:24Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > The plan is get the fuck out of dodge, avoid the post apocalyptic style roving gangs, and eviscerate anyone who gets in your way. So the daily routine of the New York commuter will remain unchanged? ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2004, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dipshit-at-the-end-of-rudys-testimony/245970/17 "2004-05-19T22:41:30Z")
Oh, _I_ am more than prepared, **Shayna** –you should see my overnight bag at my desk: water, batteries, radio, lipstick. New Yorkers are a tough lot. What pisses me off is that during the blackout last year, there was _no_ help, no support, no directions, from police or fire people, Port Authority . . . Manhattan is an island, and there is still no plan in place for evacuation by water. We were pit-moshing unconscious people out to the street, after hours of waiting in the 90-degree heat for boats that never came. _Something_ is going to happen again, whether terrorist attack, hurricane, blackout–and yes, I do expect the city and state governments and police and fire departments and Port Authority to earn their goddam paychecks and get their act together. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dipshit-at-the-end-of-rudys-testimony/245970/18 "2004-05-20T00:06:31Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > The only word I could make out was Motorola. > > So, what? Now we have Bush, Rudy, NYPD, FDNY, _ **and** _ Motorola to blame? Probably something to do with inadequate communications equipment? It would at least be on-topic. But yes, there IS an expectation, a not-unreasonable expectation, considering NYC’s size, wealth and importance, that the NYC emergency-response agencies should not just have the finest humans in the field, but should also have top-of-the-line technology and contingency plans. As **Eve** says, it IS on islands (4 of the 5 boroughs), so there _should_ be SOME proper plan for making it simpler for people to get out. But I would blame Bloomberg, anyway, for not following up. He has not done that good overall. Still, that’s something different. I’m not really comfortable with the idea we should now judge Rudy derelict in his duty because NOW we know what coulda/woulda/shoulda ; but I do believe we need to _fully know_ the coulda/woulda/shoulda so we can apply that to the future. Unfortunately, the kind of candor necessary for that knowledge is helped neither by the committee becoming overcautious and treating folks with kid gloves, nor by being personally hostile and disruptive. ---
**Author:** ![GLWasteful](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f05b48/32.png) [@GLWasteful](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GLWasteful)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dipshit-at-the-end-of-rudys-testimony/245970/19 "2004-05-20T01:48:48Z")
**duffer** > [@](#): > > As if anyone on 10 Sep 2001 and before ever conceived that tactic. Actually, that tactic had been considered previously. > [@](#): > > C’mon Bobby. You have the benefit of almost _3 years_ to look back and tell people in charge how they should have done it. Maybe I’m not watching the same newscasts, but I’ve not noticed Kerry bagging on anyone for not being aware of precisely how attacks would take place. Seriously, is he ranting about this? Or are you just jerking that knee hither and yon? And I think that the protester was an ass for doing what he did, in the way that he did it. Fates forfend, though, that I express my opinion of knee jerkers. Waste ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dipshit-at-the-end-of-rudys-testimony/245970/20 "2004-05-20T02:45:15Z")
**GL** , are you referring to Kerry or Kerrey? Either way, I got it off my chest, I feel a bit better, and leave the thread to carry on or die as all others see fit. Thanks for the time. My next post should be in a lighter tone. Wherever it may be. Unless it’s in a pit thread that pisses me off. 😉 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dipshit-at-the-end-of-rudys-testimony/245970.md?page=2)