# The Disappearing Journalist and the Submarine **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 17, 2017, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-disappearing-journalist-and-the-submarine/793883 "2017-08-17T17:56:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2017, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-disappearing-journalist-and-the-submarine/793883/81 "2017-09-08T02:09:29Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > 1. Kill self. > 2. Hold secret funeral and lie to the police. > 3. Go back to shore and explain circumstances to the police honestly. > > Hmm… Won’t someone think of the dogs?!?!?! ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2017, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-disappearing-journalist-and-the-submarine/793883/82 "2017-09-08T11:34:27Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > 1. Kill self. > 2. Hold secret funeral and lie to the police. > 3. Go back to shore and explain circumstances to the police honestly. > > Hmm… I think in your step 2 you misspelled “hide the body”. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2017, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-disappearing-journalist-and-the-submarine/793883/83 "2017-09-08T11:56:04Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > I think in your step 2 you misspelled “hide the body”. Those aren’t steps. They’re alternatives. ---
**Author:** ![ctnguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@ctnguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ctnguy)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2017, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-disappearing-journalist-and-the-submarine/793883/84 "2017-10-07T10:56:04Z")
The police have [found her head](http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41536552), in a bag, apparently with no sign of blunt force trauma. The “accident” story seems to be breaking down rather spectacularly. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2017, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-disappearing-journalist-and-the-submarine/793883/85 "2017-10-07T11:14:07Z")
> [@](#): > > A police prosecutor said earlier this week that officers had found images “which we presume to be real” of women being strangled and decapitated on Peter Madsen’s computer in a laboratory he ran. I’m beginning to think that maybe it wasn’t just an accidental death. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2017, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-disappearing-journalist-and-the-submarine/793883/86 "2017-10-07T13:58:33Z")
The [AP story](https://apnews.com/90af1b523ac04f04a22ca2cc99a5937a/Danish-police-find-head,-other-body-parts-in-submarine-case) has some details not found in the BBC story **ctnguy** posted. > [@](#): > > Danish divers found the decapitated head, legs and clothes of a Swedish journalist who was killed after going on a trip with an inventor on his submarine, police said Saturday. > > The body parts and clothing were found Friday in plastic bags with a knife and “heavy metal pieces” to make them sink near where the 30-year-old Wall’s naked headless torso was found in August, Copenhagen police investigator Jens Moeller Jensen said. > > Moeller Jensen said there were no fractures to Wall’s skull and he declined to comment on the discovery of the knife. > [@](#): > > During their investigation, police have found videos on Madsen’s personal computer of women being tortured, decapitated and murdered. The videos were considered to be real, according to prosecutor Jakob Buch-Jepsen. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2017, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-disappearing-journalist-and-the-submarine/793883/87 "2017-10-07T14:10:46Z")
God, what the hell is wrong with people. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Lasciel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e79b87/32.png) [@Lasciel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lasciel)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2017, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-disappearing-journalist-and-the-submarine/793883/88 "2017-10-07T14:51:07Z")
I hate it when I’m right about rapist murdering sociopaths. Poor woman. I have nothing against porn, but shit like that (snuff and mutilation) really makes me worry about men deciding they ‘deserve’ porn-style sex. ---
**Author:** ![Grim\_Render](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@Grim\_Render](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grim_Render)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2017, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-disappearing-journalist-and-the-submarine/793883/89 "2017-10-12T14:41:33Z")
Updates: It has been confirmed that the head found bears no sign of blunt force trauma or fractures. Madsen has stopped cooperating with the police. Madsen himself does not appear to feature in the torture-murder videos found on his computer. They are however, still considered to be recordings of real murders. The torso found had a number of stab wounds, some in the chest area but mostly in the genitals. Madsens DNA is now being checked up against unsolved murders in the rest of Scandinavia. The police just found a saw. It has not yet been analysed. Arms still missing. ---
**Author:** ![Olentzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90ced4/32.png) [@Olentzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olentzero)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2017, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-disappearing-journalist-and-the-submarine/793883/90 "2017-10-12T15:02:45Z")
This was all over the Swedish papers in the weeks after it broke, and the details that came up back in August (and the ones that **Grim Render** listed) are pretty much accurate. Hadn’t read that they’d found Wall’s head, but had read about the stab wounds on the torso. Here’s a [story](https://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/the-news-that-shook-the-world-here-is-the-story-about-kim-wall/) that came up on Dagens Nyheter in late August that gives a lot of background. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2017, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-disappearing-journalist-and-the-submarine/793883/91 "2017-10-12T15:18:46Z")
> [@Grim\_Render](#): > > Madsen himself does not appear to feature in the torture-murder videos found on his computer. They are however, still considered to be recordings of real murders. > > The torso found had a number of stab wounds, some in the chest area but mostly in the genitals. > > Madsens DNA is now being checked up against unsolved murders in the rest of Scandinavia. > > The police just found a saw. It has not yet been analysed. Arms still missing. This is so much like a Stieg Larsson story. ---
**Author:** ![Norse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Norse)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-disappearing-journalist-and-the-submarine/793883/92 "2017-10-30T14:12:31Z")
In just now: Madsen has confessed that he dismembered the body, but now he claims that Wall died from CO poisoning. > **[Danish inventor admits dismembering body of Swedish journalist](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/30/kim-wall-peter-madsen-admits-dismembering-body-swedish-journalist)** > > Danish police say Peter Madsen has changed his story, but still maintains Kim Wall died in an accident while on board his submarine > **[Danish submarine owner Peter Madsen admits to dismembering body of Swedish...](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/30/danish-submarine-owner-peter-madsen-admits-dismembering-body/)** > > Peter Madsen, the Danish inventor, has confessed to sawing off the head and limbs of Swedish journalist Kim Wall and also changed his story about how she died on board his submarine, Copenhagen police said on Monday. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-disappearing-journalist-and-the-submarine/793883/93 "2017-10-30T14:16:46Z")
> [@Lasciel](#): > > …I have nothing against porn, but shit like that (snuff and mutilation) really makes me worry about men deciding they ‘deserve’ porn-style sex. I guess this comment was from a few weeks back, but what on earth does that mean? ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-disappearing-journalist-and-the-submarine/793883/94 "2017-10-30T15:37:40Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > God, what the hell is wrong with people. ☹ Not enough bandwidth to cover that, unfortunately. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-disappearing-journalist-and-the-submarine/793883/95 "2017-10-30T17:30:42Z")
> [@Norse](#): > > In just now: Madsen has confessed that he dismembered the body, but now he claims that Wall died from CO poisoning. > > [Danish inventor admits dismembering body of Swedish journalist | Denmark | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/30/kim-wall-peter-madsen-admits-dismembering-body-swedish-journalist) > [Danish submarine owner Peter Madsen admits to dismembering body of Swedish journalist ](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/30/danish-submarine-owner-peter-madsen-admits-dismembering-body/) I wonder if the CO poisoning he administered via gas mask was before or after he raped the \*\*\*\* out of her? Probably both. > [@Riemann](#): > > > [@Lasciel](#): > > > > …I have nothing against porn, but shit like that (snuff and mutilation) really makes me worry about men deciding they ‘deserve’ porn-style sex. > > I guess this comment was from a few weeks back, but what on earth does that mean? Seems quite clear to me. The fact this stuff exists and sells means that some people, probably mostly men, like to watch it. The entire MRA InCel movement is about the idea that men have a right to the amount and kind of sex they decide they want. Millions of men apparently subscribe to at least the milder forms of that thinking. **Lasciel** ’s point was that when you put those two ideas together you get guys like Madsen. Who think their right to sexual satisfaction extends to extracting torture out of unwilling women. It’s at least plausible to think that increasing availability of torture porn and increasing amounts and severity of InCel thinking will lead to more Madsens. Which is not a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![Norse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Norse)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-disappearing-journalist-and-the-submarine/793883/96 "2017-10-30T18:03:46Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > I wonder if the CO poisoning he administered via gas mask was before or after he raped the \*\*\*\* out of her? Probably both. You’re assuming that the cause of death was CO poisoning. So far, there’s only Madsen’s claim for that. He has also claimed that she died from blunt trauma to the head, and that turned out to be a lie. While AFAIK CO poisoning is easily determined in an autopsy, I don’t know how long after the death it’s possible to determine it. I guess we’ll know in a little while. Sent from my E5823 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-disappearing-journalist-and-the-submarine/793883/97 "2017-10-30T18:13:16Z")
Agreed. I was explicitly going from his claim. IOW: > [@Madsen](#): > > Honest Officer, she died of CO poisoning. > [sub]_Thinking, not saying_: of course I poisoned her, but no point in mentioning that now.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Grim\_Render](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@Grim\_Render](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grim_Render)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-disappearing-journalist-and-the-submarine/793883/98 "2018-01-16T13:29:05Z")
The charges against Madsen have now been filed. There was some question about whether he’d be found mentally competent, but he was found to be able to stand trial. The charges include premeditated murder, indicating that they think he planned it in advance. Also defiling a corpse, and “non-intercourse sexual offences which are extremely dangerous”. As well a two aggravated breaches of maritime health and safety law. The prosecutions is asking for life in jail, followed by indefinite containment. Court psychiatrists have also noted that containment may be required for Madsen. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-disappearing-journalist-and-the-submarine/793883/99 "2018-01-16T15:53:48Z")
> [@Grim\_Render](#): > > The prosecutions is asking for life in jail, followed by indefinite containment. Are they expecting they’re going to have to keep his undead corpse “contained” somehow? ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-disappearing-journalist-and-the-submarine/793883/100 "2018-01-16T16:49:24Z")
> [@MEBuckner](#): > > Are they expecting they’re going to have to keep his undead corpse “contained” somehow? [Life imprisonment in Denmark](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_in_Denmark) isn’t for anywhere near life unless you’re in your 70’s already. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-disappearing-journalist-and-the-submarine/793883.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-disappearing-journalist-and-the-submarine/793883.md?page=6)