# The dog-mauling verdicts are in. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 21, 2002, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dog-mauling-verdicts-are-in/99418 "2002-03-21T21:53:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2002, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dog-mauling-verdicts-are-in/99418/1 "2002-03-21T21:53:51Z")
And there you have it: Guilty on all counts. Both defendants guilty of manslaughter, both defendants guilty of owning man-killing dogs, Knoller guilty of second degree murder. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2002, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dog-mauling-verdicts-are-in/99418/2 "2002-03-21T21:58:58Z")
For those of us not in the know… link, SVP. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2002, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dog-mauling-verdicts-are-in/99418/3 "2002-03-21T22:00:35Z")
[Full case background](http://www.courttv.com/trials/dogmaul/index.html). ---
**Author:** ![diku](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4af34b/32.png) [@diku](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/diku)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2002, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dog-mauling-verdicts-are-in/99418/4 "2002-03-21T22:03:28Z")
Here ya go: [Cnn](http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/03/21/dog.mauling.trial/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2002, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dog-mauling-verdicts-are-in/99418/5 "2002-03-21T22:03:33Z")
From Jeff Olsen’s site: > [@](#): > > Sex testimony denied in dog trial > > LOS ANGELES (AP) — A judge refused Monday to allow testimony about allegations of “sexual conduct” between two defendants and their dogs in a trial stemming from the fatal mauling of a San Francisco woman. I suppose we should be thankful for small favours. That’s all I would need, local news teasers about “the forbidden love of a dog for his master”. ---
**Author:** ![auntie\_em](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@auntie\_em](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/auntie_em)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2002, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dog-mauling-verdicts-are-in/99418/6 "2002-03-21T22:04:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Johnny L.A. \* > \*\*And there you have it: Guilty on all counts. > > Both defendants guilty of manslaughter, both defendants guilty of owning man-killing dogs, Knoller guilty of second degree murder. \*\* Horrible to say, but I think I’m happy about that just on the grounds that their LAWYER was so goddamn annoying! ---
**Author:** ![scotth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9e5f3/32.png) [@scotth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scotth)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2002, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dog-mauling-verdicts-are-in/99418/7 "2002-03-21T22:05:51Z")
By everything I have read, there are only two possibilities: There was a **massive** conspiracy to make them look bad/guilty, or they were lying through their teeth when they said they didn’t know (in fact desire) their dogs to be killers. Massive conspiracy in this case strains credibility. It looks like they got just what was coming to them. ---
**Author:** ![jk1245](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/49beb7/32.png) [@jk1245](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jk1245)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2002, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dog-mauling-verdicts-are-in/99418/8 "2002-03-21T22:11:15Z")
Methinks these two freaks got what was coming to them. There were numerous incidents with other people and dogs that should have led them to believe these dogs were a menace. They really were grossly negligent, from what I’ve read. As an aside, they are also 2 of the weirdest people I’ve read about. 2 high-profile attorneys who adopted a ~30 yo violent white supremecist. Then of course, there’s all the sex stories floating around. Allegedly, there are photos of the woman having sex with the dogs. The guys seems oddly preoccupied with the dog’s sex lives too. In a Rolling Stone article, he is constantly referring to how “well-hung” the dog is and other weirdness. Strange people, terrible story, just decision. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2002, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dog-mauling-verdicts-are-in/99418/9 "2002-03-21T22:32:59Z")
Two high-profile **Jewish** attorneys who adopted an alleged member of the Aryan Brotherhood. Available via my Court TV link above: > [@](#): > > Noel and Knoller married after their divorces were finalized, and Noel converted to Knoller’s Jewish faith. > [@](#): > > The two became known by colleagues for their verbose letters, and by their landlords for their lawsuits over seemingly petty issues. One suit that stemmed from a shower head that needed repairing was seeking $50,000 in damages because one of the repairmen spoke to them in a German accent. Though the repairman was from Germany, Noel charged that he intentionally used the accent to offend his Jewish faith. Very weird, indeed. ---
**Author:** ![teela\_brown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d9b06d/32.png) [@teela\_brown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/teela_brown)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2002, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dog-mauling-verdicts-are-in/99418/10 "2002-03-21T22:38:28Z")
I fully agree with the verdicts, but I’m betting Knoller appeals and says she had an incompetent attorney. Not that the attorney was any weirder than Knoller or Noel, but that’s what’s going to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2002, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dog-mauling-verdicts-are-in/99418/11 "2002-03-21T22:52:08Z")
I, for one, would love to see Knoller and Noel defending themselves! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![belladonna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9fc29f/32.png) [@belladonna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/belladonna)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2002, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dog-mauling-verdicts-are-in/99418/12 "2002-03-21T22:58:34Z")
The lawyer of the victim’s partner just made a little speech at press conference about there being “no need in our society for dogs of this size”. WTF? I think it’s more along the lines of there is no place in our country for people this disgusting. He’s also filing a civil suit against the landlord who perhaps knew of previous attacks but did nothing about the dogs. That might be interesting, if that’s actually true. Does anyone know maximum sentences they are facing? ---
**Author:** ![jk1245](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/49beb7/32.png) [@jk1245](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jk1245)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2002, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dog-mauling-verdicts-are-in/99418/13 "2002-03-21T23:05:37Z")
**Belladonna** , she is looking at 15-life, him up to 4 yrs. ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2002, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dog-mauling-verdicts-are-in/99418/14 "2002-03-22T01:03:23Z")
Peach of a couple. From the CourtTV site… > [@](#): > > The two became known by colleagues for their verbose letters, and by their landlords for their lawsuits over seemingly petty issues. One suit that stemmed from a shower head that needed repairing was seeking $50,000 in damages because one of the repairmen spoke to them in a German accent. Though the repairman was from Germany, Noel charged that he intentionally used the accent to offend his Jewish faith. ---
**Author:** ![scotth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9e5f3/32.png) [@scotth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scotth)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2002, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dog-mauling-verdicts-are-in/99418/15 "2002-03-22T01:43:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by beagledave \* > \*\*Peach of a couple. > > From the CourtTV site… Noel charged that he intentionally used the accent to offend his Jewish faith. > > \*\* This seems especially strange. Jewish and mingling with white supremacist? Especially the Aerean Nation (sp?)? ---
**Author:** ![Violet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ebca7d/32.png) [@Violet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Violet)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2002, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dog-mauling-verdicts-are-in/99418/16 "2002-03-22T07:39:24Z")
The death was such a tragedy. But not all large dogs are like the ones at issue here. I wonder if the defendants were held to a higher standard because they are lawyers… ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2002, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dog-mauling-verdicts-are-in/99418/17 "2002-03-22T14:58:43Z")
So, will Majorie Knoller filed a lawsuit if she doesn’t get “conjugal visits” in prison? ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2002, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dog-mauling-verdicts-are-in/99418/18 "2002-03-22T15:08:14Z")
She can’t. Both dogs were put to sleep. ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2002, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dog-mauling-verdicts-are-in/99418/19 "2002-03-22T15:33:35Z")
So, will Majorie Knoller filed a lawsuit if she doesn’t get “conjugal visits” in prison? She can’t. Both dogs were put to sleep. HAhahahaha . . . That made my day. I just think it’s a shame the dogs were euthanized instead of the owners. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2002, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dog-mauling-verdicts-are-in/99418/20 "2002-03-22T17:38:10Z")
How on earth were the owners of the apartment building able to allow these very dangerous dogs to terrorize the tenants for years? I would think that the landlord would be every bit as liable as the two (demented) dog owners! Also, why were these two trying to adopt the prisoner? What the hell was going on with that? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dog-mauling-verdicts-are-in/99418.md?page=2)