# The Domincan Republic is preparing to engage in ethnic cleansing. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 16, 2015, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-domincan-republic-is-preparing-to-engage-in-ethnic-cleansing/722698 "2015-06-16T19:37:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-domincan-republic-is-preparing-to-engage-in-ethnic-cleansing/722698/101 "2015-06-18T14:51:22Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > This is what happened the last time the Dominican government started getting antsy about whether “Haitians” (which actually means “blacks” (which actually means “people who speak French”)) were secretly living in their country: > > [Parsley Massacre: The Genocide That Still Haunts Haiti-Dominican Relations | IBTimes](http://www.ibtimes.com/parsley-massacre-genocide-still-haunts-haiti-dominican-relations-846773) > > What’s the argument here – it’s just mass expulsions and property deprivation based on race, so we’re not allowed to care yet? The argument for you is: it’s not genocide. There’s also no property deprivation. It’s mass expulsions, though, so I guess you get 33% right. That’s an F, by the way. ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-domincan-republic-is-preparing-to-engage-in-ethnic-cleansing/722698/102 "2015-06-18T14:53:06Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > The argument for you is: it’s not genocide. > > There’s also no property deprivation. It’s mass expulsions, though, so I guess you get 33% right. > > That’s an F, by the way. It’s _mass expulsions based on race that you are arguing in favor of based on nihilism_, if we’re being strictly accurate. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-domincan-republic-is-preparing-to-engage-in-ethnic-cleansing/722698/103 "2015-06-18T19:15:12Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > It’s _mass expulsions based on race that you are arguing in favor of based on nihilism_, if we’re being strictly accurate. No, these expulsions are based on citizenship. Spend an hour walking up and down Av. Maximo Gomez in Santo Domingo and you’ll talk to plenty of very very black Dominicans, none of whom are being deported. That’s another F. ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-domincan-republic-is-preparing-to-engage-in-ethnic-cleansing/722698/104 "2015-06-18T19:38:28Z")
Yes, they are all the same color, but the social construction of race in Hispaniola is such that the Dominicans/Spanish speakers are “brown” and the Haitians/French speakers are “black” and there is constant demagoguery about the blacks. This is how racism works. You are defending this racist human rights atrocity based on temper tantrum about how there’s just no morality left if we have gay rights. You are in the wrong about both what racism is and your autistic insistence that there is nothing to be concerned about but your interpretation of the law. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-domincan-republic-is-preparing-to-engage-in-ethnic-cleansing/722698/105 "2015-06-18T19:45:24Z")
Helpful video on the construction of race in Hispaniola: [http://video.pbs.org/video/1877436791/](http://video.pbs.org/video/1877436791/) ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-domincan-republic-is-preparing-to-engage-in-ethnic-cleansing/722698/106 "2015-06-18T21:17:54Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > The thread title is misleading and hyperbolic. Ethnic cleansing is normally reserved for actions like genocide, not deportation, at least in my opinion. This is not correct. The largest ethnic cleansing in history happened post WWII as populations were forceably moved from the old multi-ethnic countries of eastern Europe to new ethnically cleansed states. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-domincan-republic-is-preparing-to-engage-in-ethnic-cleansing/722698/107 "2015-06-18T21:23:58Z")
[Right](http://www.nytimes.com/1993/03/14/magazine/on-language-ethnic-cleansing.html). The term was _coined_ in reference to mass deportations from the Serbo-Croation “etnicheskoye chish cheniye.” ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-domincan-republic-is-preparing-to-engage-in-ethnic-cleansing/722698/108 "2015-06-18T23:36:11Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > Yes, they are all the same color, but the social construction of race in Hispaniola is such that the Dominicans/Spanish speakers are “brown” and the Haitians/French speakers are “black” and there is constant demagoguery about the blacks. This is how racism works. That’s not my experience of the DR. I believe you’re incorrect. > [@](#): > > You are defending this racist human rights atrocity based on temper tantrum about how there’s just no morality left if we have gay rights. That’s absolutely untrue. I have never said, or implied, any such thing. You have simply fabricated this claim. > [@](#): > > You are in the wrong about both what racism is and your autistic insistence that there is nothing to be concerned about but your interpretation of the law. Is deliberate fabrication of your opponent’s position morally superior to autism? ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-domincan-republic-is-preparing-to-engage-in-ethnic-cleansing/722698/109 "2015-06-19T00:29:20Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > That’s absolutely untrue. I have never said, or implied, any such thing. You have simply fabricated this claim. Everybody knows what your bullshit equivocation between “‘Many of you,’ aghast at the idea that right-wingers want to impose their morality upon you” and people condemning the current events in the DR is about. Now go home and get your fucking hugbox. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-domincan-republic-is-preparing-to-engage-in-ethnic-cleansing/722698/110 "2015-06-19T01:48:12Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > Everybody knows what your bullshit equivocation between “‘Many of you,’ aghast at the idea that right-wingers want to impose their morality upon you” and people condemning the current events in the DR is about. > > Now go home and get your fucking hugbox. I’d be surprised to learn that ANYONE else believes this. I was speaking generally of the issue of the left resisting right-wing attempts to legislate morality, and if I had to pick a specific issue to illustrate the claim, abortion (“Keep your laws off my womb,”) comes to mind. But nothing to do with gay rights. I favor legislative adoption of same-sex marriage, to comment on the most visible gay rights issue on the national scene. Who else, specifically, besides you, believes that my “bullshit equivocation” was an invocation of opposition to gay rights, and what specific rights might that mean? ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-domincan-republic-is-preparing-to-engage-in-ethnic-cleansing/722698/111 "2015-06-19T04:52:13Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > “Even so much as impotently expressing your disapproval of genocide on a message board is ‘imposing your morality on others’” gets a passing grade from you? Generally speaking, I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. I’m gonna need a cite for… well given the track record basically all of your claims. > [@Bricker](#): > > …so I guess you get 33% right. > > That’s an F, by the way. Eh, I’ll give him a D-. I grade on a curve. Liberal bias! 😃 ETA: Holey moley, Bricker is destroying the libs in this thread. Sheesh. Pounding the facts and law on this one. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-domincan-republic-is-preparing-to-engage-in-ethnic-cleansing/722698/112 "2015-06-19T05:55:35Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > Yes, they are all the same color, but the social construction of race in Hispaniola is such that the Dominicans/Spanish speakers are “brown” and the Haitians/French speakers are “black” and there is constant demagoguery about the blacks. This is how racism works. “Brown”? Brown as a race description is something born in the U.S.A. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-domincan-republic-is-preparing-to-engage-in-ethnic-cleansing/722698/113 "2015-06-19T14:51:37Z")
The origin of Haitians in the Dominican Republic goes back to “papa Doc”-the Haitian dictator. He needed cash, so he arranged for Haitians to be sent across the border as contract workers-with their wages paid to the Haitian Government (Duvalier). These men were (effectively) slaves. Their children became stateless persons, with no right to reside there. Papa Doc was supported by the USA-in a cynical move, Lyndon Johnson paid cash to Duvalier, because he feared a communist regime in Haiti(like Cuba). So, the USA allowed a corrupt regime to survive, based upon the fear of communism. ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-domincan-republic-is-preparing-to-engage-in-ethnic-cleansing/722698/114 "2015-06-19T15:27:55Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > ETA: Holey moley, Bricker is destroying the libs in this thread. Sheesh. Pounding the facts and law on this one. “Haw haw, those LIBS who think that racism is bad! We sure are showing them – just by asserting that all the reporting about the situation is wrong, and we have special access to the real truth because we’re married to Dominicans, and there is no such thing as morality, only our idiosyncratic, unverifiable version of the law. Is there a LAW against genocide? I say there isn’t, so checkmate, end of discussion!” Go put on your helmet and rock yourself to sleep in the fucking corner with Bricker. I hear there might be some trains coming by later. > [@Nava](#): > > “Brown”? Brown as a race description is something born in the U.S.A. What the fuck are you talking about? These are the words used by the Dominican government for a hundred years. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-domincan-republic-is-preparing-to-engage-in-ethnic-cleansing/722698/115 "2015-06-19T15:56:59Z")
You should _really_ stop mocking autistic people. ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-domincan-republic-is-preparing-to-engage-in-ethnic-cleansing/722698/116 "2015-06-19T16:10:35Z")
No. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-domincan-republic-is-preparing-to-engage-in-ethnic-cleansing/722698/117 "2015-06-19T16:29:02Z")
Well, enjoy the “resident bigoted asshole” status you so clearly crave, then. You’ve spilled plenty of flop sweat getting there. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-domincan-republic-is-preparing-to-engage-in-ethnic-cleansing/722698/118 "2015-06-19T17:17:53Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > Well, enjoy the “resident bigoted asshole” status you so clearly crave, then. You’ve spilled plenty of flop sweat getting there. Did you seem him in the Secular Blogger thread? His crown is already well-secured. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-domincan-republic-is-preparing-to-engage-in-ethnic-cleansing/722698/119 "2015-06-19T17:38:01Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > ETA: Holey moley, Bricker is destroying the libs in this thread. Sheesh. Pounding the facts and law on this one. I am – but it’s because the libs are being poorly represented. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-domincan-republic-is-preparing-to-engage-in-ethnic-cleansing/722698/120 "2015-06-19T18:49:07Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I am – but it’s because the libs are being poorly represented. Yeah, I would think this battle could be more evenly matched. Apologies to Haberdash and liberals for implying they were affiliated: my last post read that way. Ditto for libertarians. Oops. Incidentally, the International Crisis Group has little to say about this situation AFAICT. I did find something at Human Rights Watch, but it speaks of fears more than particular acts. My guess is that we’re seeing something unfortunate (IMO) done by a third world government that is somewhat attuned to world opinion. The latter is to their credit, to the extent it exists. We’ll see how things play out. Meanwhile and hijack the Rohingyas, called [the most persecuted people on earth](http://www.economist.com/news/asia/21654124-myanmars-muslim-minority-have-been-attacked-impunity-stripped-vote-and-driven) (sub req), are on stage 4 of 5 steps to genocide. It doesn’t mean it will happen. But the situation in Myanmar bears monitoring. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-domincan-republic-is-preparing-to-engage-in-ethnic-cleansing/722698.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-domincan-republic-is-preparing-to-engage-in-ethnic-cleansing/722698.md?page=7)