# The Douchebag of Liberty has passed on. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 18, 2009, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-douchebag-of-liberty-has-passed-on/506859 "2009-08-18T16:47:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-douchebag-of-liberty-has-passed-on/506859/241 "2009-08-20T16:05:34Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > What classified information regarding the justification for a war did they reveal to the media? > > **Bricker** is being completely and unfairly attacked here, simply for raising a completely fair comparison. > > “Traitor” is far too strong a word for either Novak or Ellsberg, but then so is “Hero”. > > **jsgodess** , now that you’ve read the thread and you know who Ellsberg is, what is your opinion? Incorrect. If he wanted to make a comparison between Ellsberg and Novak, he should have started a thread . He Hi-jacked this one. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-douchebag-of-liberty-has-passed-on/506859/242 "2009-08-20T17:11:50Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Still don’t know who Ellsberg is, not enough to have an opinion. > > ETA: Oh, and I think Novak was a scandal but not a traitor. I’ll go along with that, even though I probably was among the crowd tossing the “T word” around at the time. Standard disclaimer: I’m not completely/constantly/perfectly consistent. I’m human. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-douchebag-of-liberty-has-passed-on/506859/243 "2009-08-20T18:23:39Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Still don’t know who Ellsberg is, not enough to have an opinion. > > ETA: Oh, and I think Novak was a scandal but not a traitor. How do you explain putting the name of a working, covert CIA agents name in the paper as something other than traitorous? It put every body who she worked with under suspicion. It destroyed her cover of the company she worked for. Then foreign agents would just check out every body who worked for that front. They would check anybody else who met with her to see if they were double agents. It was a horrible thing to do. How much money and trouble was wasted tryng to fix what Novak did will never come out, but it was a bad thing to do for political reasons. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-douchebag-of-liberty-has-passed-on/506859/244 "2009-08-20T22:00:00Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Incorrect. If he wanted to make a comparison between Ellsberg and Novak, he should have started a thread . He Hi-jacked this one. 1.It was a valid comparison, thus not a hijack. 2. The OP nowhere mentioned Novak. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-douchebag-of-liberty-has-passed-on/506859/245 "2009-08-20T22:11:14Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > 1. The OP nowhere mentioned Novak. Except for the link with the headline: “Political columnist Robert Novak dies at 78”. Who did you think she was referring to? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-douchebag-of-liberty-has-passed-on/506859/246 "2009-08-20T22:13:08Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Except for the link with the headline: “Political columnist Robert Novak dies at 78”. Who did you think she was referring to? The OP did not mention the name Novak. True, there was a link, but most Dopers aren;t stupid enough to go to weird unspecified links without any indication of where they go to. The OP is thus a moron. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-douchebag-of-liberty-has-passed-on/506859/247 "2009-08-20T22:15:57Z")
Weird unspecified links? It was fucking MSNBC. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-douchebag-of-liberty-has-passed-on/506859/248 "2009-08-20T22:16:57Z")
When I hovered over the link and saw “[http://www](http://www).**[msnbc.msn.com](http://msnbc.msn.com)**/id/32461900/ns/ **politics-more\_politics** /” appear at the bottom of my browser, I assumed it was a rickroll, and wisely passed it by. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-douchebag-of-liberty-has-passed-on/506859/249 "2009-08-20T22:21:06Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Weird unspecified links? It was fucking MSNBC. So? What was it about? If the Op wants to do a rant, they have to put a little effort into it, not just a fucking bare link. Especially as an Opening Post. Bayard- very wise, dude!🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-douchebag-of-liberty-has-passed-on/506859/250 "2009-08-20T22:23:39Z")
So basically, you’re a semantic cry-baby. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-douchebag-of-liberty-has-passed-on/506859/251 "2009-08-20T22:26:15Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > So basically, you’re a semantic cry-baby. No, I want to read a decent rant. If the OP can’t be arsed to even cut and paste a fucking paragraph, she’s a lazy-assed moron who should get no respect. Ferfuckssake, why bother to even start a thread if you can’t be bothered to do it right? Which is why the hijack was richly deserved and well done. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-douchebag-of-liberty-has-passed-on/506859/252 "2009-08-20T22:30:11Z")
Who died and made you king of the Pit? You don’t like the subject/construction/tenor/whatever of the OP … who gives a shit? Your argument of “we don’t even know who she was talking about since she never mentioned his name” is fucking retarded. It wasn’t the epic pitting of a lifetime, but I knew who she was talking about about 30 seconds after I read the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-douchebag-of-liberty-has-passed-on/506859/253 "2009-08-20T22:34:29Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Who died and made you king of the Pit? You don’t like the subject/construction/tenor/whatever of the OP … who gives a shit? Your argument of “we don’t even know who she was talking about since she never mentioned his name” is fucking retarded. > > It wasn’t the epic pitting of a lifetime, but I knew who she was talking about about 30 seconds after I read the OP. You’re missing the important things here, **Jack** : 1) The OP failed to identify the target of her pitting in a way that the laziest among us could understand; and 2) some other guy was a traitor once too. It’s gone way beyond Novak, man! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-douchebag-of-liberty-has-passed-on/506859/254 "2009-08-20T23:57:48Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > …It’s gone way beyond Novak, man! So it was Satan? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-douchebag-of-liberty-has-passed-on/506859/255 "2009-08-21T00:08:46Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > How do you explain putting the name of a working, covert CIA agents name in the paper as something other than traitorous? It put every body who she worked with under suspicion. It destroyed her cover of the company she worked for. Then foreign agents would just check out every body who worked for that front. They would check anybody else who met with her to see if they were double agents. It was a horrible thing to do. How much money and trouble was wasted tryng to fix what Novak did will never come out, but it was a bad thing to do for political reasons. Yeah, it was a bad thing to do. But I have a pretty high standard when it comes to treason. I would guess that Bob Novak loved this country as much as anyone, likely more than I do. I don’t think he knew or expected his actions to be to the detriment of the country. That doesn’t excuse him as a human being or a journalist. I think both of those things were shown to be lacking. But treason? That’s a high bar and I don’t think he went over it. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-douchebag-of-liberty-has-passed-on/506859/256 "2009-08-21T00:43:16Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > So is Saigon in ruins under a different name – Ho Chi Minh City? And how did that Domino Theory work out? There are several Domino’s pizza places in Saigon/Ho Chi Minh City. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-douchebag-of-liberty-has-passed-on/506859/257 "2009-08-21T02:59:28Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Who died and made you king of the Pit? You don’t like the subject/construction/tenor/whatever of the OP … who gives a shit? Your argument of “we don’t even know who she was talking about since she never mentioned his name” is fucking retarded.. I guess that means you’re in charge here?:dubious: I didn’t say that, you’re putting words in my mouth. And making like you’re quoting me. Bad form. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-douchebag-of-liberty-has-passed-on/506859/258 "2009-08-21T03:32:29Z")
Now see, look at this rant in the PIT: > **[Why are people so goddamn stupid? Obama should switch himself to public...](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=528863)** > > Why are conservative jeenyusses trying to make an issue about whether Obama would switch himself to the government-run public option insurance, should one ever get formed? Do they think they’re clever? Do they think they thought of a real hum-dinger... a work of art. And you want to defend a PIT OP which is just a fucking link? Puhleeeeze. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-douchebag-of-liberty-has-passed-on/506859/259 "2009-08-21T16:36:52Z")
Fuck sakes man. This was nothing more than an RO “hey look who died” thread, which we see around these parts … oh, all the fucking time … but apparently this one has caused you to go off the deep end and declare **Biggirl** “a lazy-assed moron who should get no respect.” You’re being a fucking noodge, plain and simple. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-douchebag-of-liberty-has-passed-on/506859/260 "2009-08-21T16:39:44Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > The OP failed to identify the target of her pitting in a way that the laziest among us could understand; There are people lazy enough not to watch The Daily Show? On this very board? I for one refuse to believe that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-douchebag-of-liberty-has-passed-on/506859.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-douchebag-of-liberty-has-passed-on/506859.md?page=14)