# The Dream Ticket for 2016 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 23, 2013, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dream-ticket-for-2016/661699 "2013-06-23T11:48:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dream-ticket-for-2016/661699/61 "2013-06-25T10:54:04Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I just don’t think you can find a single issue where the public is not more permissive than it was in the past. Drunk driving Abuse of women by husbands/boyfriends Child abuse Smoking ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dream-ticket-for-2016/661699/62 "2013-06-25T10:59:58Z")
> [@David\_H\_Singanas](#): > > This assures the reader I am not a lunatic but someone who is going to add ideas and opinions to something printed by a professional > journalist or academic authority. There is no requirement that I have to separate > facts from inferences based on the facts. What YOU have to furnish as a reader > is the mentality to evaluate the validity or “truthfulness” of what I report. Please, if we can’t tell what you wrote and what you are quoting you have failed. A link to your sources is pretty standard in any forum, without it you appear to be cherry picking quotes or taking things out of context. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dream-ticket-for-2016/661699/63 "2013-06-25T11:06:58Z")
> [@David\_H\_Singanas](#): > > My objective as a USENET survivor is to say something that will generate discussion and commentary. The humor and the brilliance of the remarks is my payoff for starting it. As for your complaint that OP’s should not “run away” from their threads. Well, take a look at this thread! After about post #40 you have a few guys tweeting to each other about minor league political personalities. > This is why I usually drop out of a thread around post #30 or #40. Capeesh ? We’ve been around for a while now and this is not USENET. As the new guy it’s up to you to adjust to our standards, not the other way around. Capeesh? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dream-ticket-for-2016/661699/64 "2013-06-25T11:33:40Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Don’t forget gun rights, another issue where the public became more permissive over time. In the 1960s and 70s, Republicans could support gun control and often did. Now even Democrats duck and cover, recent attempt to capitalize on headlines notwithstanding. > > I just don’t think you can find a single issue where the public is not more permissive than it was in the past. Don’t be so sure. Connecticut recently passed new gun control measures and the public overwhelmingly supports background checks and limits on magazine capacity, despite resistance from a single issue political action group that makes money off their members’ paranoia. Other issues where we’re less permissive- well there’s the whole Patriot Act business, which I oppose but the public isn’t up in arms about. We’ve gotten more strict on public safety things like less tolerance for drunk driving and texting while driving. We’re letting environmental restrictions come in play without argument, no more 75 watt bulbs, other incandescents will follow suit at some time. Restrictions on smoking are becoming more, not less common. Even one of your cornerstones, low taxes, isn’t quite as universal as you might think. It isn’t unusual for voters to willingly raise their property taxes for schools. My own state of Michigan, with a Republican governor and legislature, effectively raised taxes (for seniors no less) by eliminating the tax exemption for pensions and sharply cutting back on the property tax credit. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dream-ticket-for-2016/661699/65 "2013-06-25T14:41:05Z")
> [@David\_H\_Singanas](#): > > Ludovic, > > “Starting a thread in good faith” is a meaningless concept unless there is some > rule or instruction about the objective of the original poster. Don’t we have lonely people here who simply want to start an online conversation? Don’t we have > angry people who simply want to piss someone off by asserting something > outrageous ? > > My objective as a USENET survivor is to say something that will generate discussion and commentary. The humor and the brilliance of the remarks is my payoff for starting it. As for your complaint that OP’s should not “run away” from their threads. Well, take a look at this thread! After about post #40 you have a few guys tweeting to each other about minor league political personalities. > This is why I usually drop out of a thread around post #30 or #40. Capeesh ? This isn’t USENET, and this entire message board isn’t about to change just because you want to be a dinosaur. _Capice_? ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dream-ticket-for-2016/661699/66 "2013-06-25T23:31:55Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > This isn’t USENET, and this entire message board isn’t about to change just because you want to be a dinosaur. _Capice_? Nudge, nudge. 2 posts up from yours. Still, great minds and all, right? 😉 I’m not sure whether I get bonus point for misspelling the last word the same way he/she did or you get points for spelling it correctly. We’ll call it a draw. ;)😉 ---
**Author:** ![David\_H\_Singanas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@David\_H\_Singanas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_H_Singanas)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dream-ticket-for-2016/661699/67 "2013-06-26T05:41:16Z")
Czarcasm, You give yourself away. When you have to fall back on ad hominem, you have lost the argument. Any argument. Capeesh? Cheers, Singanas ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dream-ticket-for-2016/661699/68 "2013-06-26T10:43:27Z")
> [@David\_H\_Singanas](#): > > You give yourself away. When you have to fall back on ad hominem, you have lost the > argument. Any argument. Capeesh? And if you had provided an argument, any argument, your point might be relevant. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dream-ticket-for-2016/661699/69 "2013-06-26T11:36:05Z")
> [@David\_H\_Singanas](#): > > My objective as a USENET survivor is to say something that will generate discussion and commentary. The humor and the brilliance of the remarks is my payoff for starting it. “The humor and the brilliance”? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahha … oh god, you’re killing me! Sir, I remember USENET well. I debated on USENET. USENET was a friend of mine. And your posting technique would have been ridiculed on USENET as well. Stand up and defend your words, or sit down and shut up. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dream-ticket-for-2016/661699/70 "2013-06-26T14:25:47Z")
> [@David\_H\_Singanas](#): > > Czarcasm, > > You give yourself away. When you have to fall back on ad hominem, you have lost the > argument. Any argument. Capeesh? > > Cheers, Singanas What’s to argue with yet? Show us what you’ve got-it’s _your_ topic. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dream-ticket-for-2016/661699.md?page=3)