# The Dutch at Srebenicia: War, morality and honor. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 31, 2003, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dutch-at-srebenicia-war-morality-and-honor/178766 "2003-05-31T13:21:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![lisiate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f05b48/32.png) [@lisiate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisiate)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2013, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dutch-at-srebenicia-war-morality-and-honor/178766/41 "2013-06-30T22:31:39Z")
Here’s a [good starting point](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation_of_Cossacks_after_World_War_II). Essentially the allies had decided at Yalta and Tehran to assist each other in the repatriation of their citizens after Germany was defeated. Most of those who were repatriated went straight to the Gulags. ---
**Author:** ![Claverhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Claverhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claverhouse)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2013, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dutch-at-srebenicia-war-morality-and-honor/178766/42 "2013-06-30T23:40:01Z")
Indeed. Nicholas Bethell and Count Nicolai Tolstoy both wrote books about the affair — although strongly opposed by the people they said were responsible. > **[The last secret: Forcible repatriation to Russia, 1944-7: Bethell, Nicholas...](https://www.amazon.com/last-secret-Forcible-repatriation-Russia/dp/0233966196)** > > The last secret: Forcible repatriation to Russia, 1944-7 \[Bethell, Nicholas William\] on Amazon.com. \*FREE\* shipping on qualifying offers. The last secret: Forcible repatriation to Russia, 1944-7 > **[Nikolai Tolstoy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Tolstoy)** > > Count Nikolai Dmitrievich Tolstoy-Miloslavsky FRSL (Russian: Граф Николай Дмитриевич Толстой-Милославский; born 23 June 1935), known as Nikolai Tolstoy, is a British monarchist and historian. He is a former parliamentary candidate of the UK Independence Party and is the current nominal head of the House of Tolstoy, a Russian noble family. > Born in England in 1935, Tolstoy is of part Russian descent. The son of Count Dimitri Tolstoy and Mary Wicksteed, he is a member of the noble Tolstoy family... The sad fact was that many of the people sent to Stalin, and the Gulag if lucky ( and even the Red Army were better than Tito’s mob were you to be delivered to them ) had not been allies to the Germans — not that that was an excuse, since Stalin was also sending Soviet POWs to the camps — and had sometimes never been citizens of the Soviet Union as emigres. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2013, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dutch-at-srebenicia-war-morality-and-honor/178766/43 "2013-06-30T23:53:37Z")
Thom Karremans came in at about #25 in our little worst military leaders elimination game. Pretty much a byword for ‘spineless.’ ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2013, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dutch-at-srebenicia-war-morality-and-honor/178766/44 "2013-07-01T04:04:43Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Thom Karremans came in at about #25 in our little worst military leaders elimination game. Pretty much a byword for ‘spineless.’ Yeah, and there’s a modest amount of discussion of why he earned that ranking in the thread, if you want to see armchair military history buffs bash him a bit. Well deserved, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2013, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dutch-at-srebenicia-war-morality-and-honor/178766/45 "2013-07-01T06:05:30Z")
Thank you both, \*\*lisiate \*\*and **Claverhouse**. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dutch-at-srebenicia-war-morality-and-honor/178766/46 "2013-07-02T03:09:00Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > So, the Dutch were allied to the Serbs and had previously agreed to hand the Bosniaks over to the Serbs…yeah got it. Thats why the CO was promoted. A wiser man than I has a question and a solution to the problem of the Dutch, their “courage,” and the people who defend them after incidents like this. > [@D. Dutcher Hardy](#): > > How can you defend a people whose very name is synonymous with perfidy–“Dutch treat,” which is no treat at all, “Dutch uncle,” which is a person hardly behaving as a relative? We are left to guess as to the origin of their sawing doors in half… or exactly what (or who) goes into their sinister “Dutch ovens.” > > Join Americans United To Beat The Dutch ™ and learn of the plan of Wilhelmina the Beast to drain the Great Lakes and turn them into a giant tulip bed! Learn how to detect infiltrators… cheese under fingernails, breath that smells of chocolate and, above all else… watch out for anyone who goes into a shoe-shine stand and asks for spar varnish. Awake, for the hour grows late on the tulip clock of the Hague! [http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/DUTCHER/2001-03/0985237532](http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/DUTCHER/2001-03/0985237532) Of course, _National Lampoon_ said it better, or more completely, in 1973, but that’s copyrighted, and Dutcher was trolling RootsWeb, which is [del]pretty cool[/del] probably a violation of their rules. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-dutch-at-srebenicia-war-morality-and-honor/178766.md?page=2)