# The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim post-release thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [November 10, 2011, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-post-release-thread/602540 "2011-11-10T22:09:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-post-release-thread/602540/301 "2011-11-18T16:02:14Z")
> [@Max\_the\_Immortal](#): > > I don’t know if there’s an official way to do so, but on the PC version you can use the console commands to add and remove perks from your character (much like in the recent Fallout games). Thanks! > [@AClockWorkMelon](#): > > I’m on the 360. (RE: enchanting) I’m on the PC version: When I select an “improved” item, it appears to show the base item stats during the process, but when I completed the enchanting, the “improved” stats were still on it. For example, I enchanted an Orc (one handed) sword last night, level 7 character. My one handed skill was 31 or 32, the enchanting skill was 17, smithing was 25. The base sword damage value was listed as 13. I improved it to “fine” on the grindstone (damage listed as 14). I ran up to the arcane table (dragonreach), and began the enchatment process. The enchanting panel shows the orc sword in my inventory as “fine”. I left click on it. The damage number is now listed as 13. I add frost damage to it, selected a petty soul gem (dropping the bonus to +4 frost damage to make it so I don’t have to recharge it after 6 hits). I exit the enchanting process. Inspecting the sword in my inventory, it shows Orc Sword (fine), base damage 14, +4 frost damage. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-post-release-thread/602540/302 "2011-11-18T18:20:03Z")
> [@mlees](#): > > (RE: enchanting) > > I’m on the PC version: > > When I select an “improved” item, it appears to show the base item stats during the process, but when I completed the enchanting, the “improved” stats were still on it. > > For example, I enchanted an Orc (one handed) sword last night, level 7 character. My one handed skill was 31 or 32, the enchanting skill was 17, smithing was 25. > > The base sword damage value was listed as 13. I improved it to “fine” on the grindstone (damage listed as 14). > > I ran up to the arcane table (dragonreach), and began the enchatment process. The enchanting panel shows the orc sword in my inventory as “fine”. I left click on it. The damage number is now listed as 13. I add frost damage to it, selected a petty soul gem (dropping the bonus to +4 frost damage to make it so I don’t have to recharge it after 6 hits). I exit the enchanting process. > > Inspecting the sword in my inventory, it shows Orc Sword (fine), base damage 14, +4 frost damage. I’ll be sure to try that when I get home and let you know how it goes. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-post-release-thread/602540/303 "2011-11-18T18:27:50Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > I’ll be sure to try that when I get home and let you know how it goes. Thanks. I hope it works out for ya. How do you patch the games on a 360? ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-post-release-thread/602540/304 "2011-11-18T18:49:55Z")
> [@Max\_the\_Immortal](#): > > I don’t know if there’s an official way to do so, but on the PC version you can use the console commands to add and remove perks from your character (much like in the recent Fallout games). I don’t know if you care about achievements, but I gather that Skyrim has the same “anti-cheat” measure as Fallout:NV. It assumes that if you open the console, you’re cheating, and disables achievement progress until you restart the game. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-post-release-thread/602540/305 "2011-11-18T18:58:08Z")
> [@Balance](#): > > I don’t know if you care about achievements, but I gather that Skyrim has the same “anti-cheat” measure as Fallout:NV. It assumes that if you open the console, you’re cheating, and disables achievement progress until you restart the game. Really? Good thing I don’t care about achievements then, because I accidentally open the console with some regularity. ` is close to both 1 and ESC. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-post-release-thread/602540/306 "2011-11-18T19:04:08Z")
> [@Balance](#): > > I don’t know if you care about achievements, but I gather that Skyrim has the same “anti-cheat” measure as Fallout:NV. It assumes that if you open the console, you’re cheating, and disables achievement progress until you restart the game. Just OPENING!? Wow, that’s harsh. I missed some in NV (like the “sell $10,000 worth of stuff” one) because I was consoled when the check came up. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-post-release-thread/602540/307 "2011-11-18T19:20:10Z")
> [@Balance](#): > > I don’t know if you care about achievements, but I gather that Skyrim has the same “anti-cheat” measure as Fallout:NV. It assumes that if you open the console, you’re cheating, and disables achievement progress until you restart the game. That sucks. I opened the console by hitting the ~ key in the heat of battle…I didn’t even know that was what I did until I posted it here as a bug and ended up just ending the task and starting at my last save. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-post-release-thread/602540/308 "2011-11-18T19:32:02Z")
In New Vegas you had to actually run a command through the console (even if it was just save, or tcl to get unstuck) in order to disable achievements, just hitting the console key wouldn’t do it. ---
**Author:** ![MichaelEmouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/michaelemouse/32/101_2.png) [@MichaelEmouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MichaelEmouse)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-post-release-thread/602540/309 "2011-11-18T19:43:44Z")
Is dragon armor worth it? I’m in the process of improving my smithing skills to get to it but I wonder if it’s worth it. What triggers the availability of spell tomes? Is it the general level or the level of a particular skill? How do you turn ore into ingot and iron into steel? So far, the most helpful spell to me has been the dual cast firebolt with the perk that staggers enemies when hit with a dual spell. If you catch them right, they can’t fight back. ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-post-release-thread/602540/310 "2011-11-18T19:55:14Z")
> [@Mr.Kobayashi](#): > > In New Vegas you had to actually run a command through the console (even if it was just save, or tcl to get unstuck) in order to disable achievements, just hitting the console key wouldn’t do it. That’s probably also true in Skyrim, then, which would be a bit less harsh. I don’t believe I ever opened the console in New Vegas without using it, so I never saw that distinction. It’s still something people need to be aware of when they’re using console commands. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-post-release-thread/602540/311 "2011-11-18T20:01:07Z")
> [@MichaelEmouse](#): > > Is dragon armor worth it? I’m in the process of improving my smithing skills to get to it but I wonder if it’s worth it. Daedric armour is better (I’m rocking a full legendary set right now), but is a lot heavier (unless you take the perk) and daedra hearts are hard to come by. Smithing is the easiest skill in the game to level, just get a bunch of iron ingots and leather strips and make iron daggers over and over. > [@](#): > > What triggers the availability of spell tomes? Is it the general level or the level of a particular skill? Level of the skill. Invisibility becomes available at 75 Illusion, for instance. > [@](#): > > How do you turn ore into ingot and iron into steel? You need a smelter. Warmaiden’s in Whiterun has one outside. You need corundum ore and iron ore together to make a steel ingot. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-post-release-thread/602540/312 "2011-11-18T20:41:44Z")
> [@MichaelEmouse](#): > > Is dragon armor worth it? I’m in the process of improving my smithing skills to get to it but I wonder if it’s worth it. If you wear light armor, going from glass to dragon scale is very significant. You’re not likely to find armor nearly as good without crafting it. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-post-release-thread/602540/313 "2011-11-18T21:10:07Z")
What happens if you clear a quest-related area, but you’re not on the quest (e.g., a fort)? Does the quest just not exist anymore, or does it just make it really easy, or what? ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-post-release-thread/602540/314 "2011-11-18T22:03:12Z")
Has anybody seen a fortify enchantment enchantment? Ive been looking all over but can’t find one ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-post-release-thread/602540/315 "2011-11-18T22:12:39Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > What happens if you clear a quest-related area, but you’re not on the quest (e.g., a fort)? Does the quest just not exist anymore, or does it just make it really easy, or what? FWIW I have had a couple of instances where I found a quest item before I got the quest, in those cases they would give me the quest and I would immediately have a dialogue option to say I found it. That should cover items, as far as people, from what I understand, unless it is bugged, people who are important to quests can’t die. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-post-release-thread/602540/316 "2011-11-18T22:31:29Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > FWIW I have had a couple of instances where I found a quest item before I got the quest, in those cases they would give me the quest and I would immediately have a dialogue option to say I found it. > > That should cover items, as far as people, from what I understand, unless it is bugged, people who are important to quests can’t die. I got the one that goes something like (paraphrase): Her: “I wish I had my executed brother’s Talos pendant, maybe you can respectfully take it from his body.” Me: “Here you go, I looted it off of him while he was still warm. I even took his pants.” Her: “Why the hell would you… never mind, thanks for bringing it back.” ---
**Author:** ![Unpronounceable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9de0a6/32.png) [@Unpronounceable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unpronounceable)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-post-release-thread/602540/317 "2011-11-18T22:39:57Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > What happens if you clear a quest-related area, but you’re not on the quest (e.g., a fort)? Does the quest just not exist anymore, or does it just make it really easy, or what? Yeah, it _usually_ works…but I found one last night where I had to go back to a dungeon I cleared, and the “loot this!” icon was pointing where the pre-respawn boss’ body _used to be_. So they can, occasionally, break. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-post-release-thread/602540/318 "2011-11-18T23:12:08Z")
> [@mlees](#): > > How do you patch the games on a 360? Every time I start a game I’m prompted to download any available patches. So as soon as I popped the game in I was offered the day one patch. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![cckerberos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@cckerberos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cckerberos)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2011, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-post-release-thread/602540/319 "2011-11-19T00:24:55Z")
> [@Unpronounceable](#): > > Yeah, it _usually_ works…but I found one last night where I had to go back to a dungeon I cleared, and the “loot this!” icon was pointing where the pre-respawn boss’ body _used to be_. So they can, occasionally, break. Yep. I have the icon for a quest hovering over a (now) empty chest. I still have the quest item in my inventory, but the quest won’t advance. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2011, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-post-release-thread/602540/320 "2011-11-19T00:48:04Z")
I’m downloading the game right now. It is at 41% and I am practically salivating at the chance to see/play the game. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-post-release-thread/602540.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-post-release-thread/602540.md?page=17)