# The Email Saga Now Feels the Bern **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 5, 2015, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-email-saga-now-feels-the-bern/736687 "2015-11-05T06:57:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-email-saga-now-feels-the-bern/736687/1 "2015-11-05T06:57:11Z")
He’s [not that different](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-emails_563ac204e4b0307f2cac16ef) than Trump: pretending to be a “new” kind of pol, using same old tired tactics > [@](#): > > Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who declared during last month’s Democratic presidential debate that “the American people are sick and tired” of hearing about Hillary Clinton’s private email account, on Wednesday defended a federal probe into the matter and said it should continue. > > “You get 12 seconds to say these things,” Sanders told The Wall Street Journal, referring to his comments at the debate. “There’s an investigation going on right now. I did not say, ‘End the investigation.’ That’s silly. … Let the investigation proceed unimpeded.” He doesn’t know what he’s in for!😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-email-saga-now-feels-the-bern/736687/2 "2015-11-05T11:43:06Z")
Wow…you’ve certainly shown us…something… ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-email-saga-now-feels-the-bern/736687/3 "2015-11-05T12:55:14Z")
I don’t think it’s inconsistent to state that the ongoing investigation needs to continue but that there does not need to be nonstop media chatter about it. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-email-saga-now-feels-the-bern/736687/4 "2015-11-05T14:15:10Z")
[Just FTR, here’s what he did say](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/10/13/the-oct-13-democratic-debate-who-said-what-and-what-it-means/): > [@](#): > > SANDERS: Let me say this. > > (APPLAUSE) > > Let me say – let me say something that may not be great politics. But I think the secretary is right, and that is that the American people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails. > > (APPLAUSE) > > CLINTON: Thank you. Me, too. Me, too. > > SANDERS: You know? The middle class – Anderson, and let me say something about the media, as well. I go around the country, talk to a whole lot of people. Middle class in this country is collapsing. We have 27 million people living in poverty. We have massive wealth and income inequality. Our trade policies have cost us millions of decent jobs. The American people want to know whether we’re going to have a democracy or an oligarchy as a result of Citizens Union. Enough of the e-mails. Let’s talk about the real issues facing America. > > (APPLAUSE)- How is that consistent with saying the investigation should continue? ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-email-saga-now-feels-the-bern/736687/5 "2015-11-05T14:54:38Z")
The inference was that Sanders thought the emails were a non-issue. I think everybody interpreted his statement that way. Now he says it’s a valid issue that has raised valid questions. At the end of the day I don’t think it matters. The damage is done. The investigation of Clinton was her biggest vulnerability and he tossed it in the bin. Hell, more than just casting it aside he used the issue to boost her up. If he reverses course now, it will be seen as desperation due to his slipping numbers. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-email-saga-now-feels-the-bern/736687/6 "2015-11-05T14:57:56Z")
Bernie has to make this a real campaign or step down. So he’s testing the waters as a real campaigner now. I doubt his poll numbers will move. His ability to make a difference in this cycle is disappearing. That’s no reason for him to give up right away, but clearly he doesn’t have a good issue to distinguish himself on. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-email-saga-now-feels-the-bern/736687/7 "2015-11-05T15:15:57Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > … but clearly he doesn’t have a good issue to distinguish himself on. No, none whatsoever, other than these (arguably) [17 greatest issues of our time](https://berniesanders.com/issues/). :rolleyes: As for the OP, no idea what the point is supposed to be. There’s kind of a little bit of difference between Hillary’s competition blowing up “emailgate” into the greatest scandal in the history of the universe, and an objective investigation to discover whether any laws were broken. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-email-saga-now-feels-the-bern/736687/8 "2015-11-05T15:54:52Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > No, none whatsoever, other than these (arguably) [17 greatest issues of our time](https://berniesanders.com/issues/). :rolleyes: He isn’t very far away from Hillary on those issues. They’d only be arguing about minutia. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-email-saga-now-feels-the-bern/736687/9 "2015-11-05T16:04:43Z")
Some of the most interesting discussions come from people who are only slightly apart in their views, though. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-email-saga-now-feels-the-bern/736687/10 "2015-11-05T16:32:17Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > He isn’t very far away from Hillary on those issues. They’d only be arguing about minutia. Yeah. I wonder how much of his base will leave once they realize he isn’t very far left. He’s claimed to be a Socialist, but in reality he’s more of a Social Democrat, at least as political scientists use the term: He’s fine with private property and for-profit companies and isn’t out to nationalize the steel industry, he just wants an expanded social safety net, a more progressive tax policy, and more regulation on what companies can do. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-email-saga-now-feels-the-bern/736687/11 "2015-11-05T16:45:49Z")
Well then, I guess all the American socialists aren’t going to vote for Bernie. All 12 of them. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-email-saga-now-feels-the-bern/736687/12 "2015-11-05T17:03:12Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Wow…you’ve certainly shown us…something… Allow me to misquote Seth MacFarlane[sup]\*[/sup]: **DerekMichaels00** combines the excitement of sitting there with the thrill of reading words. [sup]\*the actual quote, about Anthony Jezelnik, was that Jezelnik’s stand-up “combines the excitement of standing there with the thrill of saying words.”[/sup] ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-email-saga-now-feels-the-bern/736687/13 "2015-11-05T17:09:55Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Some of the most interesting discussions come from people who are only slightly apart in their views, though. That would be great if Bernie was talking to someone else with any depth to her positions. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-email-saga-now-feels-the-bern/736687/14 "2015-11-05T18:16:41Z")
point is here: if Bernie wants to go rough, the Clintons will too: Bernie’s honeymoon in the Evil Empire, his support for communists Sandinistas, etc. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-email-saga-now-feels-the-bern/736687/15 "2015-11-05T19:16:52Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > his support for communists Sandinistas, etc. You think Dem primary voters are all onboard with the Contras support of the time? Will they be shocked that he’s a true Lefty? ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-email-saga-now-feels-the-bern/736687/16 "2015-11-05T19:32:40Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > You think Dem primary voters are all onboard with the Contras support of the time? Will they be shocked that he’s a true Lefty? I think most prob are indifferent in retrospect (or won’t admit that supporting the Contras was the right way), but most will not wanna nominate a guy who could be destryed, like Bernie. Also, it looks like most of the Dem primary electorate isn’t as far-left as the internet types. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-email-saga-now-feels-the-bern/736687/17 "2015-11-05T19:36:02Z")
I just doubt the Clinton campaign would bring up a negative talking point that would imply that she thinks the Iran-Contra affair was a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-email-saga-now-feels-the-bern/736687/18 "2015-11-05T23:33:29Z")
Here’s a pic of Bernie’s new campaign [poster](http://c1.staticflickr.com/1/741/22383195588_60ea93e71c.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-email-saga-now-feels-the-bern/736687/19 "2015-11-06T01:51:32Z")
Why would he associate himself with a bunch of right-wingers? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-email-saga-now-feels-the-bern/736687/20 "2015-11-06T04:05:03Z")
I don’t think it goes so far as to make Sanders just a typical politician. His record is too long for one advantageous flip-flop to destroy his reputation. Plus he is human, and Clinton attacking him as sexist is probably something he’s never had to deal with before. It probably pissed him off. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-email-saga-now-feels-the-bern/736687.md?page=2)