# The Emmy nominations are up! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 14, 2005, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-emmy-nominations-are-up/312498 "2005-07-14T13:32:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_It_s_That_Guy)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-emmy-nominations-are-up/312498/1 "2005-07-14T13:32:56Z")
Here’s the complete list: [http://www.emmys.tv/downloads/images/2005emmys/2005noms.doc](http://www.emmys.tv/downloads/images/2005emmys/2005noms.doc) Wow, lots of good shows getting their due. I’m especially happy to see Arrested Development doing so well, as well as Scrubs, the male leads from Boston Legal, the female leads from The Shield, 24, Conan O’Brien, and Family Guy. ---
**Author:** ![GraceTX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c4cdca/32.png) [@GraceTX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GraceTX)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-emmy-nominations-are-up/312498/2 "2005-07-14T14:37:05Z")
I’m excited to see that Lost received a bunch of nominations including one for Terry O’Quinn for Best Supporting Actor. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-emmy-nominations-are-up/312498/3 "2005-07-14T14:39:11Z")
I am happy to see that Scrubs (and Braff) got some love and that Terry O’Quinn got his much deserved nom from Lost. But why the heck did Will and Grace, a once good but now mediocre to bad show, get 13 nods? And what about Will Arnet from AD? And though I don’t watch the program, I am curious what the reaction will be on the set of Desperate Housewives will be now that only 3 of the 5 divas got noms? Also, I am actually rooting for Raymond to win an Emmy: Peter Boyle for Best Supp. Actor. It is sad to think that he would be the only one of that cast not to win one. I’m pulling for him (though I’d be happy if Tambor got a nod). ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-emmy-nominations-are-up/312498/4 "2005-07-14T14:42:43Z")
Lost fans, here are the Lost noms: Outstanding Casting For A Drama Series Outstanding Directing For A Drama Series (Pilot) Outstanding Single-Camera Picture Editing For A Drama Series (Pilot) Outstanding Music Composition For A Series (Dramatic Underscore) Outstanding Drama Series Outstanding Sound Editing For A Series (Pilot) Outstanding Single-Camera Sound Mixing For A Series (Outlaws) Outstanding Special Visual Effects For A Series (Pilot) Outstanding Writing For A Drama Series (Pilot AND Walkabout) Outstanding Supporting Actor In A Drama Series (Naveen Andrews AND Terry O’ Quinn) I think I found them all ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-emmy-nominations-are-up/312498/5 "2005-07-14T14:52:14Z")
If Ian McShane (aka Al Swearingen, _Deadwood_) doesn’t win the Outstanding Actor in a Drama Series award, the whole thing is a sham. ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-emmy-nominations-are-up/312498/6 "2005-07-14T14:52:14Z")
I’m rooting for: Outstanding Drama Series - Deadwood Out lead actor in a Drama Series - Ian McShane ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-emmy-nominations-are-up/312498/7 "2005-07-14T15:04:31Z")
I kind of wonder how the Emmys are going to handle the on-air annoucement for the nominees for the “Outstanding Reality Program” award. 🙂 And what happen if Penn and Teller win it. ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-emmy-nominations-are-up/312498/8 "2005-07-14T15:17:29Z")
> [@Honey](#): > > I’m rooting for: > > Outstanding Drama Series - Deadwood > > Out lead actor in a Drama Series - Ian McShane That should be Outstanding. As I don’t believe that Ian McShane is gay. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-emmy-nominations-are-up/312498/9 "2005-07-14T16:16:46Z")
> [@watsonwil](#): > > But why the heck did Will and Grace, a once good but now mediocre to bad show, get 13 nods? I count 15 nods, with 8 of them in the acting categories, including 5 for guest roles (accounting for 50% of all the nominees). > [@](#): > > And what about Will Arnet from AD? Or David Cross. But Jessica Walter, Jason Bateman, and Jeffrey Tambor are in there, with _AD_ pulling in 11 nods, including 3 each in the editing and writing categories. > [@](#): > > Also, I am actually rooting for Raymond to win an Emmy: Peter Boyle for Best Supp. Actor. It is sad to think that he would be the only one of that cast not to win one. Yeah, I wouldn’t have a problem with that. Unfortunately, it seems that Brian Cranston’s hopes for an Emmy are pretty much over–a shame since he’s the best thing about **Malcolm in the Middle**. ---
**Author:** ![DoperChic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a9a28c/32.png) [@DoperChic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoperChic)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-emmy-nominations-are-up/312498/10 "2005-07-14T16:25:06Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > I kind of wonder how the Emmys are going to handle the on-air annoucement for the nominees for the “Outstanding Reality Program” award. 🙂 > > And what happen if Penn and Teller win it. I was wondering the same exact thing, **RealityChuck**. I hope they get some uptight snooty type to have to announce that one. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-emmy-nominations-are-up/312498/11 "2005-07-14T16:43:04Z")
Some other observations, facts, & trivia: Network rankings HBO - 93 CBS - 59 NBC - 54 ABC - 51 FOX - 49 Program rankings 16 - _The Life and Death of Peter Sellers, Warm Springs_ 15 - _Desperate Housewives, Will & Grace_ 13 - _Everybody Loves Raymond_ 12 - _Lost_ 11 - _Arrested Development, Deadwood, 24_ 10 - _Empire Falls_ 8 - _Carnivale_ 7 - _Huff, 77th Annual Academy Awards_ 6 - _American Idol, Elvis, Two and a Half Men_ 5 - _The Amazing Race, Broadway: The American Musical, The Games of the XXVIII Olympiad Opening Ceremony, House, Late Show with David Letterman, MADtv, Six Feet Under, Survivor, The West Wing_ Emmy Vets (# of career nods) Alan Alda/_The West Wing_ (31) Tracey Ullman/_TU: Live & Exposed_ (23) Cloris Leachman/_Malcolm_ & _Joan of Arcadia_ (19) Angela Lansbury/_L&O: SVU/TbJ_ (18) Tyne Daly/_Judging Amy_ (16) Ray Romano/_Raymond_ (16) Jon Stewart/_The Daily Show_ (13) Blythe Danner has 3 acting nominations this year: Lead Miniseries/Movie, Supporting Drama, and Guest Comedy Some welcome faces: Jeremy Piven, Danny Elfman, Lupe Ontiveros, Fred Willard, Philip Seymour Hoffman, and the late Ossie Davis ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-emmy-nominations-are-up/312498/12 "2005-07-14T17:18:52Z")
Emmy Vets - Loser Division (0 career Emmys) Angela Lansbury/_L&O: SVU/TbJ_ (18 nods) Charles Durning/_NCIS_ (8) Kiefer Sutherland/_24_ (7) Nominees Kathy Bates, Brian Dennehy, Victor Garber, Whoopi Goldberg, Jane Kaczmarek, and Jeffrey Tambor are all tied with 6 _South Park_’s wicked Schiavo satire “Best Friends Forever” is up for Animated Series. It’s up against _The Simpsons_, which also scored nods in the Music & Song categories. Quentin Tarantino scored a nomination for directing a _CSI_ episode, in a category that has 7 nominees. Ken Burns scored 2 nods for _Unforgivable Blackness: The Rise And Fall Of Jack Johnson_ 3 Oscar winners are competing against each other in Supporting Actress, Miniseries/Movie: Charlize Theron, Kathy Bates, and Joanne Woodward (multiple Oscar-loser Jane Alexander’s also in the running) _The Office_ scored 2 nods, including one for Ricky Gervais (Writing). _The Wire_ also got its single nod in the Writing category. Turner Classic Movies got 1 nod for _Cary Grant: A Class Apart_, now available on the **Bringing Up Baby** 2-disc DVD. The Outstanding Reality Show categories have Ty Pennington vs. Penn & Teller vs. Ben Affleck & Matt Damon and Jerry Bruckheimer vs. Paula Abdul vs. Donald Trump vs. Harvey Weinstein. Oh, and for all you _24_-holics: 2-3am (Music) 5-6am (Cinematography) 6-7am (Editing & Sound Mixing) 7-8am (Editing) 12-1pm (Sound Editing & Stunt Coordination) 7-8pm (Editing) Plus Drama Series, Lead Actor, and Casting (11 nods, the most in the show’s history) Oh, and for the first time, a program I received screen credit for got an Emmy nomination! (though not for me, obviously) ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-emmy-nominations-are-up/312498/13 "2005-07-14T17:52:33Z")
I was happy to see three shows I watch and like in the Best Drama category (Deadwood, 24 and Lost). Could only have been better had The Shield been in there as well. I hope Ian McShane wins best drama actor. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-emmy-nominations-are-up/312498/14 "2005-07-14T18:02:45Z")
As much as I think O’Quinn deserves the award, I don’t think he’ll get it. William Shatner will get it, mostly because this might be the last time he does something where he actually deserves an award. Boston Legal is bordering on cancellation too. And what’s up with “supporting actor” - as I get it, there are no leads in Lost. It’s an ensamble cast and all actors are listed alphabetically. And why is Desperate Housewives considered comedy? ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-emmy-nominations-are-up/312498/15 "2005-07-14T18:13:15Z")
> [@The Gaspode](#): > > As much as I think O’Quinn deserves the award, I don’t think he’ll get it. William Shatner will get it, mostly because this might be the last time he does something where he actually deserves an award. Boston Legal is bordering on cancellation too. > > And what’s up with “supporting actor” - as I get it, there are no leads in Lost. It’s an ensamble cast and all actors are listed alphabetically. > > And why is Desperate Housewives considered comedy? For the same reason that Ally McBeal used to be in the Comedy catagory. It stands a better chance of winning in that catagory. It might be time to create a new catagory called “dramady”. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-emmy-nominations-are-up/312498/16 "2005-07-14T18:21:54Z")
> [@The Gaspode](#): > > As much as I think O’Quinn deserves the award, I don’t think he’ll get it. William Shatner will get it, mostly because this might be the last time he does something where he actually deserves an award. Boston Legal is bordering on cancellation too. Shatner already won an Emmy (as “Guest Actor”) for playing the same role in _The Practice_ (the same season Spader won his). I think that’ll be more than enough for the voters, especially for a show that’s so clearly on the ropes. I’d say O’Quinn is the inside favorite (especially since _Deadwood_ is unrepresented here); his backstory episode “Walkabout” received a writing nomination as well and he’s the Watercooler Character from the Watercooler Show of the year (though I was glad to see Naveen Andrews score a nod; I was expecting the better-known Dominic Monaghan). > [@](#): > > And what’s up with “supporting actor” - as I get it, there are no leads in Lost. It’s an ensamble cast and all actors are listed alphabetically. I didn’t see the FYC ads in the trades, but I’d bet they pushed Fox & Lilly as the two leads and left everyone else as supporting–a typical fallback when the cast is truly ensemble in nature. > [@](#): > > And why is Desperate Housewives considered comedy? Because the producers have effectively lobbied the industry as a comedy. I haven’t watched the show, but the emphasis in the promos is always on the humor (even if its got some soapy/mystery underpinnings). _Monk_ is also in the comedy category–the only two hour-long competitors in that field this year, IIRC. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-emmy-nominations-are-up/312498/17 "2005-07-14T18:25:21Z")
> [@Honey](#): > > For the same reason that Ally McBeal used to be in the Comedy catagory. It stands a better chance of winning in that catagory. It might be time to create a new catagory called “dramady”. I remember when Bruce Willis won the Emmy for Best Lead Actor in a Drama. I suspect that if _Moonlighting_ was running now, they’d also have switched it over to the Comedy field. ---
**Author:** ![cbawlmer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71e660/32.png) [@cbawlmer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cbawlmer)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-emmy-nominations-are-up/312498/18 "2005-07-14T18:30:20Z")
You know which one makes me especially happy? Outstanding Commercial: Glen – Starbucks Doubleshot GLEN! Glen-glen-GLEN! I’m also pleased with the nomination for \*Dinner for Five \* for Outstanding Nonfiction Series, and a few technical nods for _Reefer Madness: The Musical_. I call bullshit on _24_’s Best Drama nod. This was easily its worst season ever, yet it was chosen over _Rescue Me_? Still, not a bad list. It’s nice to have a large field of deserving shows fighting for nominations instead of just tossing everything in _ER_’s mediocre direction. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-emmy-nominations-are-up/312498/19 "2005-07-14T19:57:25Z")
> [@DoctorJ](#): > > If Ian McShane (aka Al Swearingen, _Deadwood_) doesn’t win the Outstanding Actor in a Drama Series award, the whole thing is a sham. I don’t know about that, I think Hugh Laurie staked a pretty strong claim. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2005, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-emmy-nominations-are-up/312498/20 "2005-07-14T20:30:19Z")
I still think Shatner will win. One reason for the comedy - and why the producers push it that way - is that the sitcom mrket is really crappy right now. And in drama, they’d be up against all those HBO shows. I still don’t think DH is a comedy, though. And how weak would the field of runner upsbe if there were no cable. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-emmy-nominations-are-up/312498.md?page=2)