# The end of a copyright experiment. RIAA shows its true colors. **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [August 29, 2012, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-of-a-copyright-experiment-riaa-shows-its-true-colors/633050 "2012-08-29T17:11:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-of-a-copyright-experiment-riaa-shows-its-true-colors/633050/241 "2012-09-12T14:19:52Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > You meant to baselessly and indefensibly liken our arguments to those of children in a snarky manner, in response to my succinct summary of the festivities so far. So, snarkfail. Got it! šŸ˜ƒ Nope, I meant to accurately describe your arguments to those of children. Now you got it. ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-of-a-copyright-experiment-riaa-shows-its-true-colors/633050/242 "2012-09-12T15:27:30Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > No, you said we feel justified \*\*because \*\*our arguments resemble those of children. > > In logic form, you have asserted ā€œIf A, then B.ā€ > > Your premise, A, is ā€œYour arguments resemble those of children.ā€ Your conclusion, B, is ā€œTherefore, you feel justified in ignoring copyright law.ā€ > > Even if we accept A as a given (and as it is entirely subjective, thatā€™s a big leap already) - B does not follow from the premise. In fact, arguments would flow from the feeling of justification, not vice versa. Basic cause and effect seems to elude you as easily as logic. šŸ™‚ **strongarm** can ill afford to trouble himself with either. Heā€™s reached his conclusion, so why question it by trying to back it up? As he himself says so revealingly: \*\*\*ā€œIā€™ve already won.ā€ \*\*\* Heā€™s a zealot. One of the goals of a zealot is to forestall substantive discussion. I wish he would fuck off and let that discussion resume. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-of-a-copyright-experiment-riaa-shows-its-true-colors/633050/243 "2012-09-12T15:38:43Z")
> [@Beware\_of\_Doug](#): > > **strongarm** can ill afford to trouble himself with either. Heā€™s reached his conclusion, so why question it by trying to back it up? > > As he himself says so revealingly: \*\*\*ā€œIā€™ve already won.ā€ \*\*\* > > Heā€™s a zealot. One of the goals of a zealot is to forestall substantive discussion. I wish he would fuck off and let that discussion resume. Iā€™m not a zealot. I said Iā€™ve already won because I believe I had made my argument when someone claimed THEY had already won, not because I canā€™t be wrong. If you want a serious conversation, Iā€™m ready. If you want to make silly accusations like this, donā€™t bother. ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-of-a-copyright-experiment-riaa-shows-its-true-colors/633050/244 "2012-09-12T15:48:23Z")
Your idea of a ā€œserious conversationā€ is to just keep hammering away on your talking points and hope everybody else gives up and goes home. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-of-a-copyright-experiment-riaa-shows-its-true-colors/633050/245 "2012-09-12T16:02:01Z")
> [@Beware\_of\_Doug](#): > > Your idea of a ā€œserious conversationā€ is to just keep hammering away on your talking points and hope everybody else gives up and goes home. No itā€™s not. Itā€™s funny that you pick on me when others here have been equally determined in their opinions. Please either get back on topic or stop participating. If you donā€™t like how I argue, donā€™t bother with me, like you said. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-of-a-copyright-experiment-riaa-shows-its-true-colors/633050/246 "2012-09-12T16:34:14Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > Nope, I meant to accurately describe your arguments to those of children. > > Now you got it. Oh, dear. No good at snark, logic, cause and effect - or grammar, it seems. Unless you actually mean you intend to describe our arguments **to** childrenā€™s arguments - being intangible things, arguments lack ears, so I donā€™t think youā€™ll have much success there. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-of-a-copyright-experiment-riaa-shows-its-true-colors/633050/247 "2012-09-12T16:49:57Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > Oh, dear. No good at snark, logic, cause and effect - or grammar, it seems. Unless you actually mean you intend to describe our arguments **to** childrenā€™s arguments - being intangible things, arguments lack ears, so I donā€™t think youā€™ll have much success there. My explanation was clear. Please stop posting if you donā€™t accept what I said. ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-of-a-copyright-experiment-riaa-shows-its-true-colors/633050/248 "2012-09-12T17:23:06Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > Please either get back on topic or stop participating. I will if you will. šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-of-a-copyright-experiment-riaa-shows-its-true-colors/633050/249 "2012-09-12T17:24:24Z")
> [@Beware\_of\_Doug](#): > > I will if you will. šŸ˜› Nope. Iā€™ll post as much as I think is appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-of-a-copyright-experiment-riaa-shows-its-true-colors/633050/250 "2012-09-12T17:29:10Z")
On topic, one would hope. Speaking of which: How did you come by your stance on copyright? Are you an IP creator? distributor? some other kind of businessperson? ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-of-a-copyright-experiment-riaa-shows-its-true-colors/633050/251 "2012-09-12T17:37:44Z")
Iā€™ll also choose not to post when someone hurls crap at me and then suddenly wants to get back on topic. I canā€™t trust a person like that. ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-of-a-copyright-experiment-riaa-shows-its-true-colors/633050/252 "2012-09-12T17:46:24Z")
Fuck, man. You are just fucking _unreal_. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-of-a-copyright-experiment-riaa-shows-its-true-colors/633050/253 "2012-09-12T17:51:24Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > My explanation was clear. Please stop posting if you donā€™t accept what I said. "Nope. Iā€™ll post as much as I think is appropriate. " ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-of-a-copyright-experiment-riaa-shows-its-true-colors/633050/254 "2012-09-12T18:01:20Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > "Nope. Iā€™ll post as much as I think is appropriate. " Turning oneā€™s words on one is the argument of a petulant child. Shame! ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-of-a-copyright-experiment-riaa-shows-its-true-colors/633050/255 "2012-09-12T18:18:44Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > "Nope. Iā€™ll post as much as I think is appropriate. " Everyone should post as much as they think is appropriate. I think itā€™s inappropriate to sit around whining about someone else posting alot, or whining about their alleged attitude, especially when you then try to blame them for tediousness. Simply state your opinion on the topic. As much as you want. Or not. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-of-a-copyright-experiment-riaa-shows-its-true-colors/633050/256 "2012-09-12T18:19:46Z")
People who act like petulant children also canā€™t handle dissenting opinions. They try to bully them into submission instead of arguing on the merits. ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-of-a-copyright-experiment-riaa-shows-its-true-colors/633050/257 "2012-09-12T18:47:50Z")
Does _anything_ you say apply to you? You cannot seem to resist blaming others for things you do as well. Iā€™m still waiting to get back on topic and hear how you arrived at your stance on copyright law. If it pleases you, consider it not as a _demand_ to get back ONT but an _opportunity_ to get back ONT. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-of-a-copyright-experiment-riaa-shows-its-true-colors/633050/258 "2012-09-12T19:01:50Z")
> [@Beware\_of\_Doug](#): > > Does _anything_ you say apply to you? You cannot seem to resist blaming others for things you do as well. Yes, they apply to me too. And to everyone else. Okay? > [@](#): > > Iā€™m still waiting to get back on topic and hear how you arrived at your stance on copyright law. If it pleases you, consider it not as a _demand_ to get back ONT but an _opportunity_ to get back ONT. Too late. I donā€™t trust you. This is my last response to you. ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-of-a-copyright-experiment-riaa-shows-its-true-colors/633050/259 "2012-09-12T19:06:21Z")
OK, will you tell someone else? I promise not to reply. To you. Directly. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-of-a-copyright-experiment-riaa-shows-its-true-colors/633050/260 "2012-09-12T19:22:37Z")
> [@Beware\_of\_Doug](#): > > Turning oneā€™s words on one is the argument of a petulant child. Shame! Well, I was also going for irony, since I took his intellectual property. šŸ˜‰ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-of-a-copyright-experiment-riaa-shows-its-true-colors/633050.md?page=12)