# The End vs. The End

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-vs-the-end/836821>\
**Category:** Cafe Society\
**Created:** [July 10, 2019, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-vs-the-end/836821 "2019-07-10T03:18:55Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\
**Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-vs-the-end/836821/21 "2019-07-10T20:35:04Z")

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Doors. Always The Doors when it comes to stuff like this.

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**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\
**Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-vs-the-end/836821/22 "2019-07-10T20:50:38Z")

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> [@silenus](#):
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> Doors. Always The Doors when it comes to stuff like this.

Other stuff like this?

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**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\
**Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-vs-the-end/836821/23 "2019-07-10T20:52:22Z")

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I voted the Beatles because I can’t stand the Doors.

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**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\
**Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-vs-the-end/836821/24 "2019-07-10T23:02:25Z")

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Love ‘em both, but narrowly went with the Doors. It’s just so…cinematic (even before Coppola’s masterful use of it).

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**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\
**Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-vs-the-end/836821/25 "2019-07-10T23:18:45Z")

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During my angsty teenage years i listened to The End (Doors) through headphones in a dark room, late at night. Very atmospheric. I particularly liked the line: “No safety or surprise, the End.”

But it’s too silly for me now. Atmospheric isn’t enough.

OTOH, the Abbey Road End still gives me a kick. The solos rock hard without any showing off — just pure rocking fun. And as for the section after the solos, this is [Rick Beato’s](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sr0bUxuzYAM) part-by-part recreation, and it’s impressive.

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**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\
**Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-vs-the-end/836821/26 "2019-07-10T23:18:48Z")

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> [@drad\_dog](#):
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> Other stuff like this?

60s rock and roll, Angst and Fury Division, Los Angeles Brigade. I was there, so it resonates better than the über-band The Beatles, who just blew through town and gave a few concerts.

Overall, The Beatles are in a completely different league than just about any other band in history. But they didn’t do angst well at all. Since that was my standard for judging this contest, Jim wins.

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**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\
**Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-vs-the-end/836821/27 "2019-07-11T00:46:08Z")

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Though I like the Doors just fine, The End is not their best long song. Better than Celebration of the Lizard, but …  
So I go with the Beatles. I’ve heard overindulgent solos (and like some of them) but their solos are the very opposite of overindulgent.  
If I were forced to listen to an hour of one of these, I’d much prefer the Beatles.  
Anyhow, Freud is so 20th century.

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**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\
**Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-vs-the-end/836821/28 "2019-07-11T02:48:53Z")

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The phone rang. She looked at the display and turned to me, “_The blue bus is calling us. Why? Why the blue bus? Should I take a chance?_”

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**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\
**Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-vs-the-end/836821/29 "2019-07-11T03:03:13Z")

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I prefer the Burt Reynolds/Dom DeLuise movie.

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**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\
**Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-vs-the-end/836821/30 "2019-07-11T05:22:05Z")

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> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#):
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> I prefer the Burt Reynolds/Dom DeLuise movie.

I do believe it was the first R-rated movie I ever saw. I was 10, and my dad took me. I thought that someone had done a remake; I’m glad to discover i was mistaken.

Back to the OP, I think the Beatles are the greatest band ever, but I chose the Doors in this poll.

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**Author:** ![pmwgreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@pmwgreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pmwgreen)\
**Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-vs-the-end/836821/31 "2019-07-11T06:38:07Z")

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No option for other? [Cuz I got one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwBCu4-6UuA).

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**Author:** ![The\_Peyote\_Coyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f8ce5/32.png) [@The\_Peyote\_Coyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Peyote_Coyote)\
**Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-vs-the-end/836821/32 "2019-07-11T09:21:15Z")

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Even though I think the Doors are the most overrated rock band in the history of the Known Universe, I would say their “End” is superior to the Beatles’.

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**Author:** ![swampspruce](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/swampspruce/32/261_2.png) [@swampspruce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/swampspruce)\
**Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-vs-the-end/836821/33 "2019-07-11T14:13:08Z")

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I voted the Doors because the Beatles are overrated… 😃 I have fond memories of listening to The Doors on headphones in the dark and the imagery it conjures is very cinematic to say the least. The Beatles song is kinda fluffy.

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**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\
**Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-vs-the-end/836821/34 "2019-07-11T16:18:52Z")

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> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#):
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> I prefer the Burt Reynolds/Dom DeLuise movie.

Not nearly as [good as …](https://youtu.be/nyKF2qd0-iQ)

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**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\
**Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-vs-the-end/836821/35 "2019-07-11T17:14:17Z")

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> [@MrDibble](#):
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> One of these songs has a cheesy aphorism about love masquerading as something deep, the other is a 12-minute epic that includes a retelling of Oedipus.
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> I know which one I prefer.

But we don’t. 😕

I went with the Beatles. I find The Doors overwrought and exhausting. Conversely, I find the Beatles trite and simplistic (come at me!), but I’ll blame that on their popularity.

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**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\
**Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-vs-the-end/836821/36 "2019-07-11T20:19:52Z")

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I can’t believe this poll is even slightly close. But then I’ve never been a big fan of the Beatles.

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ETA: With you, MrDibble.

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**Author:** ![mack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mack)\
**Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-vs-the-end/836821/37 "2019-07-12T01:28:02Z")

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The first time I heard the Doors’ The End was when I was a teenager and saw Apocalypse Now when it first came out. It was an awesome thing. The Beatles’ The End is a fine piece of music but it’s basically another Beatles song.

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**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\
**Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-vs-the-end/836821/38 "2019-07-12T01:56:48Z")

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Thanks to this thread, I listened to the Doors’ “The End” in its entirety for the first time ever just now. And, sorry, I was not impressed. If I were in the right mood, or under the right influence, I might find it hauntingly effective; but in the mood I actually was in, I just found it self-indulgent wankery.

The Beatles’ “The End” actually _is_ the end. I’ve heard it many times throughout my life, always in its proper context as the last movement (practically) of _Abbey Road_. And in that context, it’s something special: four great musicians working together for the last time, and at the height of their collective powers.

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**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\
**Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-vs-the-end/836821/39 "2019-07-12T02:06:44Z")

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The Who.

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**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\
**Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-end-vs-the-end/836821/40 "2019-07-12T02:21:12Z")

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> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#):
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> The Who.

This is the correct answer.

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