# The Enterprise and The Borg. Please give me a timeline **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 21, 2003, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-enterprise-and-the-borg-please-give-me-a-timeline/196721 "2003-08-21T17:09:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2003, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-enterprise-and-the-borg-please-give-me-a-timeline/196721/21 "2003-08-22T03:53:30Z")
:dubious: I’m pretty sure I’m missing some subtext here. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2003, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-enterprise-and-the-borg-please-give-me-a-timeline/196721/22 "2003-08-22T03:58:44Z")
:dubious: I’m pretty sure I’m missing some subtext here. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2003, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-enterprise-and-the-borg-please-give-me-a-timeline/196721/23 "2003-08-22T04:03:09Z")
No subtext. But a lot of Trekkers aren’t into the books at all. No show episode or movie treatment has touched on the Borg/V’ger connection. So, without the books, or web sites, that correlation isn’t ever brought up. Now, us hard core Trekkers, sure. We’ve even Phil Farranded these ideas. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2003, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-enterprise-and-the-borg-please-give-me-a-timeline/196721/24 "2003-08-22T04:07:13Z")
GODDAMN HAMSTERS! ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2003, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-enterprise-and-the-borg-please-give-me-a-timeline/196721/25 "2003-08-22T04:12:27Z")
[God Voice] * * * Ham§sters! I damn thee! * * * [/God voice] ---
**Author:** ![Cliffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2003, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-enterprise-and-the-borg-please-give-me-a-timeline/196721/26 "2003-08-22T15:49:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Achernar \* > \*\*I only saw the episode once, so correct me if I’m wrong. But I thought that they took care of that by having Seven’s parents be deep-space explorers. They took their daughter with them to the Delta Quadrant (or maybe they fell through a wormhole to get there?) where they encountered the Borg in their home space. \*\* The episode in which Seven’s parents (the Hansens) are portrayed in flashback ( **The Raven**?) shows them as academics studying specifically _the Borg_, despite the fact that (according to the TNG chronology), nobody in the Federation should have even _heard_ of the Borg for another 10 years or so. You’re right that if the Hansen family had just caught a wormhole into the Delta quadrant to study it, completely ignorant of the Borg until they got there, the chronology would have fit, but that’s not how the events were portrayed. –Cliffy ---
**Author:** ![Wearia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/13edae/32.png) [@Wearia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wearia)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2003, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-enterprise-and-the-borg-please-give-me-a-timeline/196721/27 "2003-08-22T17:09:28Z")
Aren’t we forgetting Hugh and Lor’s Borg? ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2003, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-enterprise-and-the-borg-please-give-me-a-timeline/196721/28 "2003-08-22T17:17:35Z")
Wasn’t Lors Borg the bassist for Scorpion? ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2003, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-enterprise-and-the-borg-please-give-me-a-timeline/196721/29 "2003-08-22T17:23:53Z")
Huge came after Q Who and after the supposed first contact with the Borg. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2003, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-enterprise-and-the-borg-please-give-me-a-timeline/196721/30 "2003-08-22T19:54:14Z")
Hugh was later in TNG. “The Best of Both Worlds” was the two-part episode between seasons 3 and 4. The episodes with Lore leading the self-aware group of Borg was the two part “Descent” – the cliffhanger ending season 6 and starting season 7 of TNG. And as **Cliffy** mentioned, the whole Annika Hansen backstory in _Voyager_ screwed up the timeline established in TNG on the first encounters with the Borg. ---
**Author:** ![Bambi\_Hassenpfeffer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Bambi\_Hassenpfeffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bambi_Hassenpfeffer)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-enterprise-and-the-borg-please-give-me-a-timeline/196721/31 "2003-08-23T15:51:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Cliffy \* > \*\*The episode in which Seven’s parents (the Hansens) are portrayed in flashback ( **The Raven**?) shows them as academics studying specifically _the Borg_, despite the fact that (according to the TNG chronology), nobody in the Federation should have even _heard_ of the Borg for another 10 years or so. You’re right that if the Hansen family had just caught a wormhole into the Delta quadrant to study it, completely ignorant of the Borg until they got there, the chronology would have fit, but that’s not how the events were portrayed. > > –Cliffy \*\* Yeah, but if you do what I do and treat Voyager like fanfic, then everything works out. The canon works better if you just ignore everything Voyager ever did – how they completely took the Borg down from Guinan’s “you don’t get mad at a hurricane, they’re an unstoppable force of nature” speech to Janeway’s “shoot at and destroy them every week, oh by the way Seven is there anyway to enhance this with Borg technology” approach really frustrates me. The writers didn’t want to deal with long-term repercussions in the series, so they neutered the only beloved enemy Voyager ever faced. BTW, Hugh was created in “I, Borg” and later appeared in “Descent, Part II,” where he helped Our Heroes rescue Data and deactivate Lore. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-enterprise-and-the-borg-please-give-me-a-timeline/196721/32 "2003-08-23T16:54:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Aesiron \* > \*\*:dubious: > > I’m pretty sure I’m missing some subtext here. \*\* Ah, they’re 1920’s style “Death Rays”. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Bad\_Astronomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f05b48/32.png) [@The\_Bad\_Astronomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Bad_Astronomer)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-enterprise-and-the-borg-please-give-me-a-timeline/196721/33 "2003-08-24T05:09:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Bambi Hassenpfeffer \* > \*\*Maybe something they did was so incredibly horrible that their entire existence was erased from the records in the interest of interstellar harmony. > \*\* Nope. In “Nemesis”, one of the Starfleet ships seen on a viewscreen is called “Archer”. ---
**Author:** ![dctaz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e9c0ed/32.png) [@dctaz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dctaz)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-enterprise-and-the-borg-please-give-me-a-timeline/196721/34 "2003-08-24T05:47:45Z")
on the trek BBS, B&B get panned and trashed daily for the crap that they ignore as being “Cannon” history of Star Trek. and they use the excuse of “First Contact” changing the timeline every chance they can get. personally, I think they are just too lazy to have their writers use the guidebooks that paramount has authorized as required research material when penning an episode. (if I keep going with this, I should open a pit thread to trash B&B) ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-enterprise-and-the-borg-please-give-me-a-timeline/196721/35 "2003-08-24T07:24:13Z")
I maintain that teh Temporal War in _Enterprise_ is there simply to negate all the canonical messing around Rick Berman is doing. The final epsiode of Season 7 (if it ever gets made) will be “Oh, it was all a dream” kind of ending, where the temporal War will adjust the timeline back to what it is in TOS. ---
**Author:** ![Muad\_Dib](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/35a633/32.png) [@Muad\_Dib](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muad_Dib)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-enterprise-and-the-borg-please-give-me-a-timeline/196721/36 "2003-08-24T08:26:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Aesiron \* > \*\*:dubious: > > I’m pretty sure I’m missing some subtext here. \*\* \*smites thee with a 1920’s style death-ray. ---
**Author:** ![Muad\_Dib](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/35a633/32.png) [@Muad\_Dib](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muad_Dib)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-enterprise-and-the-borg-please-give-me-a-timeline/196721/37 "2003-08-24T08:27:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Michael Ellis \* > \*\*Ah, they’re 1920’s style “Death Rays”. \*\* Hate you **Michael Ellis**. Hate you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-enterprise-and-the-borg-please-give-me-a-timeline/196721.md?page=1)